# Creator Boycott of DragonCon **URL:** \ **Category:** Southeast\ **Created:** [March 1, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205 "2013-03-01T04:54:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![aj-quick](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/aj-quick/32/188008_2.png) [@aj-quick](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/aj-quick)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/21 "2013-03-04T17:20:27Z")
I read the article Chris posted and it is absolutely horrible. And while I agree that no one should be complaining about someone that wants to take a stand against the convention. I will retain my position and say that especially after reading that article… boycotting Dragon_Con now because of Kramer is pointless. I mean heck. Dragon_Con has been refusing to pay him his dividends for years. He has been having to sue them to get them. It is hardly their fault for any of this. They have been doing their best to get rid of the guy. It would be like boycotting Coca-Cola… because someone that owns shares in it is a criminal. Given that it looks like the guy is either going to die, or face trial and be convicted very soon… Dragon\*Con should be completely financially disassociated with Kramer after this year. ---
**Author:** ![Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/ron_daniels/32/12_2.png) [@Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Ron_Daniels)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/22 "2013-03-05T02:44:47Z")
Point of order; we could purchase stock and bring a shareholder derivative suit. From there we could force a buyout of stock. Then he would no longer make money off the convention. You are all wrong for not considering that option. ---
**Author:** ![castewar](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/castewar/32/68_2.png) [@castewar](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/castewar)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/23 "2013-03-05T03:20:05Z")
Whatever, hotshot. I do mostly tax law and probate stuff occasionally. I got my law degree at night school. (I’d pitch in money to buy stock, provided once Kramer is out we flip it over to the above charities) ---
**Author:** ![aj-quick](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/aj-quick/32/188008_2.png) [@aj-quick](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/aj-quick)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/24 "2013-03-05T03:29:26Z")
Dragon\*Con isn’t a publically traded company. So you’d have to force a share holder to sell a share. And really. Who knows how many shares there are, or what they would cost. They could have 10 shares, each worth a million dollars for all we know. (Since it is privately held, that information isn’t known either). From the sounds of the article though.. it sounds like they’ve been trying to squeeze play Kramer for the last 5 years or so specifically on the stock. ---
**Author:** ![Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/ron_daniels/32/12_2.png) [@Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Ron_Daniels)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/25 "2013-03-05T03:51:15Z")
You find me one shareholder and I can kill the whole thing. It’s a closed corp; you sell the corp’s rightist and trademarks to a new corp. New corp informed sans Kramer, Bingo. I did well in this class. Give me a more difficult problem. ---
**Author:** ![lunchbox739](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lunchbox739/32/6450_2.png) [@lunchbox739](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/lunchbox739)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:59am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/26 "2013-03-05T03:59:50Z")
This is information i can probably look into…i still know a few folks in tech ops However…ron daniels brought a possible solution to the table inside a few days of posting…id like to think that if it were that easy…someone would have tried it by now. ---
**Author:** ![Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/ron_daniels/32/12_2.png) [@Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Ron_Daniels)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/27 "2013-03-05T13:06:46Z")
It’d be litigated for years, but it’s fairly simple. 😛 It’d also be difficult to win without him being convicted. ---
**Author:** ![aj-quick](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/aj-quick/32/188008_2.png) [@aj-quick](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/aj-quick)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/28 "2013-03-05T16:43:38Z")
Ron. If I understand correctly. They are waiting for him to be convicted to do something similar. ---
**Author:** ![Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/ron_daniels/32/12_2.png) [@Ron\_Daniels](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Ron_Daniels)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/29 "2013-03-05T19:40:06Z")
They don’t have to do that. But it makes it easier to get rid of him. Beyond that, we’re kind of finding someone guilty without them having a fair trial. And that’s cool and all. ---
**Author:** ![Jairus](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@Jairus](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Jairus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2013, 10:34am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205/30 "2013-03-10T10:34:42Z")
Devil’s Advocate here. Why is the accused child molester getting money a bad thing? The accused child molester won’t retain a dime of that money. It is, primarily, going to lawyers and the courts: two things necessary to our justice system. Should we suspend due process and deny someone representation (someone who, like it or not, is legally entitled to the money they’re receiving) because we find the charge reprehensible? In the end, the convention, with its hundreds of employees and over 60,000 attendees, receives the VAST majority of the money, with a little bit going to lawyers and courts to try this accused child molester in accordance with our laws and procedures. If the evidence is there, if he is found guilty, and if he is sentenced, he will no longer profit from the convention in anyway. Why should hundreds lose their jobs and 60,000 suffer because we have an emotional reaction to what this one person, who will (as stated) have his shares revoked if convicted anyway, is accused of doing? Honestly, it’s like trying to shut down an entire factory, putting hundreds out of a job and denying others the goods made by that factory, because a ■■■■■■■■■ former employee is a shareholder who refuses to be bought out. Seriously, knee-jerk emotional reactivism all up in this bitch. [Previous page](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/creator-boycott-of-dragoncon/30205.md?page=1)