# Is Gozer a god or a demigod? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Ghostbusters Discussion\ **Created:** [February 15, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345 "2012-02-15T06:50:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ecto\_Energy](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/cc9497/32.png) [@Ecto\_Energy](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Ecto_Energy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/1 "2012-02-15T06:50:33Z")
According to information sources (such as the movie character descriptions on [gbfans.com](http://gbfans.com), as well as Wikipedia and the Ghostbusters Wiki), Gozer is a god while Gozer’s two minions [Zuul](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/zuul) and [Vinz Clortho](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/vinz-clortho) are demigods. In the movie, [Peter Venkman](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/peter-venkman) refers to Zuul as a demigod, but simply refers to Gozer as being “very big in Sumeria.” In the jail scene, [Winston Zeddemore](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/winston-zeddemore) refers to Gozer as a “Babylonian god” and [Egon Spengler](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/egon-spengler) corrects him by saying “Sumerian, not Babylonian” but makes no mention of Gozer being a demigod rather than a god, which implies that Winston was correct when calling Gozer a “god.” However, many people on multiple threads and forums on the Internet have referred to Gozer as a demigod. So is Gozer a god or a demigod? Are there other information sources that describe Gozer as being a demigod rather than a god? ---
**Author:** ![fritz](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/fritz/32/10773_2.png) [@fritz](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/fritz)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/2 "2012-02-15T14:01:15Z")
I always thought “god” was more accurate, but people keep using “demigod” because it sounds cooler, and maybe they don’t understand that it technically refers to a lower-level than a “god”. “It sounds cooler, so it must be even more badass than a god!” Just my theory, of course. ---
**Author:** ![cowbybill](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@cowbybill](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/cowbybill)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/3 "2012-02-15T14:18:09Z")
I always figured Gozer was a God. After all Gozer does ask, “[Are you a God?](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/games/ghostbusters-the-video-game/achievements/are-you-a-god)” Then proceeds to try and kill the Ghostbusters. Gozer never asked if they were Demigods, and I doubt a Demigod would try to go up agianst a God. ---
**Author:** ![alex-newborn](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/alex-newborn/32/4017_2.png) [@alex-newborn](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/alex-newborn)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/4 "2012-02-15T16:02:25Z")
From the final shooting script, dated October 7, 1983 (as published in the book [Making Ghostbusters](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/uncategorized/making-ghostbusters) by Don Shay), the full line before it was tweaked on set was: VENKMAN **\*\*“Gozer” - he was very big in the Sumerian religion. One of their gods. \*\*** So, per Ramis and Aykroyd, Gozer was a single god in the Sumerian pantheon. [Zuul](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/zuul) and [Vinz Clortho](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/vinz-clortho) were his minions, both demigods. And just because I have to, notice that when Winston asks Ray if he believes in God, that’s the only one that the script capitalizes. Alex ---
**Author:** ![skadan](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/skadan/32/179845_2.png) [@skadan](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/skadan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/5 "2012-02-17T15:27:52Z")
I always figured, Gozer was a very powerful Demon, but because of the amount of worship from the Shandor Cults, he/it/she was refferred to as their “god”.. I always liked thinking of it that way, made more sense in the Satanic cult subplot. ---
**Author:** ![TheRockman](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@TheRockman](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/TheRockman)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/6 "2012-02-17T17:17:06Z")
On a side note, since [Zuul](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/zuul) and [Vinz Clortho](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/vinz-clortho) were demigods (half God), I always imagined that Zuul was raised amongst gods (such as Gozer) and Vinz Clortho was raised amongst humans (or other mortal beings). Really, the only reason I think this is because of their names. Gods generally carry a single name, while mortals typically carry 2 or more to designate lineage (gods have no need for lineage designation as they are immortal). It also provided a good balance of “opposite but the same” that gives the characters of “gate keeper” and “key master” a bit more depth without having to delve into backstory. Plus you can kind of tell in the behavior of Zuul (more reserved and focused) and Vinz (more curious and erratic) that they probably have very different sensibilities ingrained from different upbringings. Whether that was intentional or not, it made an impression (at least on me). I love overthinking stuff. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alex-newborn](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/alex-newborn/32/4017_2.png) [@alex-newborn](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/alex-newborn)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/7 "2012-02-18T14:58:04Z")
From the US novelization (Mueller), p. 249: Stantz and Zeddemore stowed their accelerators in the back. “Now, aren’t you glad you signed on with us, Winston?” “I don’t know. We’re not going to do gods often, are we?” ```auto And, I may have just imagined this, but seems like this line from the novel was referenced in an episode of the cartoon. Like, they realized the thing they were up against was 'a god' and Winston said, "I thought we weren't gonna do those often." I checked Collect Call of Cathulhu, but didn't hear a line like that. Alex ``` ---
**Author:** ![Spengler02](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Spengler02](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Spengler02)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/8 "2015-01-26T22:31:36Z")
Plus, in [the video game](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/games/ghostbusters-the-video-game) Egon says “We eat gods for breakfast”. As for the [Zuul](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/zuul) being raised with gods and Vinz with humans, it could be the influence of a good environment. I’ll bet you a dollar if they traded places Vinz would be more serious and Zuul would be more curious. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Ivo\_Shandor](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/4da419/32.png) [@Ivo\_Shandor](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/Ivo_Shandor)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 11:52am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/9 "2015-01-30T11:52:16Z")
Is there some controversy? Gozer is a Sumerian god. Vinz and [Zuul](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/zuul) are demigods. ---
**Author:** ![JA\_Slow](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@JA\_Slow](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/JA_Slow)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2015, 9:49am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/10 "2015-01-31T09:49:02Z")
“Gods cannot die.” -Teal’c, Stargate SG-1 I agree [Zuul](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/zuul) is a demigod who needs to fornicate with Vinz because he is a more than mortal, a human-demon hybrid perhaps, to open the portal for a true God to enter our world. Wonder if Vigo will come back? I know he does in the IDW comic but what foils him a second time? ---
**Author:** ![LoganTH](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/6de8d8/32.png) [@LoganTH](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LoganTH)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/is-gozer-a-god-or-a-demigod/4345/11 "2015-02-19T00:04:44Z")
> [@BatDan](#): > > I always figured, Gozer was a very powerful Demon, but because of the amount of worship from the Shandor Cults, he/it/she was refferred to as their “god”.. I always liked thinking of it that way, made more sense in the Satanic cult subplot. Same here. I think it fits more with the theme of the supernatural being defined in scientific terms.