# Why I can't stand Dave Coulier's Venkman **URL:** \ **Category:** Ghostbusters Cartoons\ **Created:** [June 8, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863 "2010-06-08T05:29:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/1 "2010-06-08T05:29:01Z")
I brought this up before on another forum, but I’d to elaborate more. No matter what role he played, [Lorenzo Music](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/lorenzo-music) just somehow made it his own–even though it always sounded exactly the same; it was _his_ role, & he was meant to do it. When Music’s Venkman was a jack@$$ to someone, you still sympathized with him because he had a certain humaneness in him; you may not have agreed with his decision, but understood where he was coming from because he put so much depth into the role. I know people say that Coulier was brought on to sound like [Bill Murray](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/bill-murray), but the big problem with that is even Murray had that humility to the role which made his Venkman really likable. The only thing [Dave Coulier](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/dave-coulier) brought to the role was sorta kinda sounding like Bill Murray. He didn’t have the heart in it, sounded like a parody of a California surfer, & when his Venkman was being a jack@$$ it was just that; you couldn’t even sympathize with it. Dave Coulier almost sounded like a kid-ified version of Venkman. He was just…_terrible_…as Venkman. I think even the Nostalgia Critic said it best: “man of 1,000 voices..and absolutely none of them accurate!” I remember while watching the interviews on the RGB DVD set, [Kath Soucie](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/kath-soucie) mentioned that while waiting for his cues, Dave Coulier would be in the back of the room entertaining himself with his cheezy little voices… to which I must then comment “well, ya might as well entertain someone with 'em, even if it’s only yourself!” ---
**Author:** ![loyalGHOSTBUSTER](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/ecb155/32.png) [@loyalGHOSTBUSTER](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/loyalGHOSTBUSTER)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/2 "2010-06-08T13:07:00Z")
> [@LordVigo82](#): > > I brought this up before on another forum, but I’d to elaborate more. > > No matter what role he played, Lorenzo Music just somehow made it his own–even though it always sounded exactly the same; it was _his_ role, & he was meant to do it. > > When Music’s Venkman was a jack@$$ to someone, you still sympathized with him because he had a certain humaneness in him; you may not have agreed with his decision, but understood where he was coming from because he put so much depth into the role. > > I know people say that Coulier was brought on to sound like Bill Murray, but the big problem with that is even Murray had that humility to the role which made his Venkman really likable. > > The only thing Dave Coulier brought to the role was sorta kinda sounding like Bill Murray. He didn’t have the heart in it, sounded like a parody of a California surfer, & when his Venkman was being a jack@$$ it was just that; you couldn’t even sympathize with it. > > Dave Coulier almost sounded like a kid-ified version of Venkman. He was just…_terrible_…as Venkman. > > I think even the Nostalgia Critic said it best: “man of 1,000 voices..and absolutely none of them accurate!” > > I remember while watching the interviews on the RGB DVD set, Kath Soucie mentioned that while waiting for his cues, Dave Coulier would be in the back of the room entertaining himself with his cheezy little voices… > > to which I must then comment “well, ya might as well entertain someone with 'em, even if it’s only yourself!” Yeah well said,music was the perfect Venkman…i don’t hate dave but he was no Venkman 🆒🆒🆒 ---
**Author:** ![dr-d](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/dr-d/32/186940_2.png) [@dr-d](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/dr-d)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/3 "2010-06-08T17:27:38Z")
Not sure who said it, but the best explanation I’ve ever heard was this “Coulier was a good [Bill Murray](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/bill-murray), Music was a great Venkman” ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/4 "2010-06-08T18:40:19Z")
> [@Dr.D](#): > > Not sure who said it, but the best explanation I’ve ever heard was this > > “Coulier was a good Bill Murray, Music was a great Venkman” that’s the thing though: Coulier wasn’t even a good [Bill Murray](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/bill-murray); he _kinda sorta_ had the sound, but not the heart to it; sounded sorta like a parody of a California surfer more than anything. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Joker](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6bbea6/32.png) [@The\_Joker](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/The_Joker)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/5 "2010-06-08T18:46:36Z")
Coulier didn’t sound like a surfer to me. He didn’t have the accent, for one thing. ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/6 "2010-06-08T18:58:38Z")
I said a _parody_ of one. I also never said a _good_ parody of one. :sigh: ---
**Author:** ![pferreira1983](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/2acd7d/32.png) [@pferreira1983](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/pferreira1983)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/7 "2010-06-12T18:48:01Z")
Is it just me or did Coulier’s Venkman call [Slimer](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/slimer) ‘spud’ almost all the time. It made it difficult to identify with Peter. ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/8 "2010-06-12T18:51:10Z")
> [@pferreira1983](#): > > Is it just me or did Coulier’s Venkman call Slimer ‘spud’ almost all the time. It made it difficult to identify with Peter. yeah…that didn’t help much either. ---
**Author:** ![iBust22](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/71c47a/32.png) [@iBust22](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/iBust22)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/9 "2010-06-19T21:04:23Z")
> [@Dr.D](#): > > Not sure who said it, but the best explanation I’ve ever heard was this > > “Coulier was a good Bill Murray, Music was a great Venkman” _claps_ That’s the way I’ve always seen it. I mean, I like Coulier and it seemed like he tried, but Music had Venkman’s personality down, while Coulier kinda, sorta sounded like [Bill Murray](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/bill-murray). The most irritated thing was him calling [Slimer](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/characters/slimer) “Spud” all the time, along with the way he treated. ---
**Author:** ![ironfist](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e56c9b/32.png) [@ironfist](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/ironfist)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/10 "2010-06-19T23:13:42Z")
This is the same Guy who voice Garfeild, right? ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/11 "2010-06-20T04:09:44Z")
> [@ironfist](#): > > This is the same Guy who voice Garfeild, right? I’m hoping that’s a joke; Garfield was done by the talented voice of Venkman…i.e. [Lorenzo Music](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/lorenzo-music). [Dave Coulier](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/dave-coulier) was Uncle Joey on Full House, as well as the voice of several Muppet Babies. ---
**Author:** ![ironfist](https://forum.gbfans.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/e56c9b/32.png) [@ironfist](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/ironfist)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:27am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/12 "2010-06-20T10:27:49Z")
Sorry, No joke. Please remember I’m 40 so I didn’t have time to see a lot of the cartoon. Maybe 20 episodes and that’s guessing high. I do want to buy the super box set so I can watch them all with my kids’. When did uncle Jessie take over the voice on show? And how in gods name did he get in alanis morrsettes pants??? ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/13 "2010-06-20T10:31:37Z")
> [@ironfist](#): > > Sorry, No joke. Please remember I’m 40 so I didn’t have time to see a lot of the cartoon. Maybe 20 episodes and that’s guessing high. I do want to buy the super box set so I can watch them all with my kids’. When did uncle Jessie take over the voice on show? And how in gods name did he get in alanis morrsettes pants??? Uncle Jesse was played by the ever-so-annoying John Stamos; Uncle _Joey_ was [Dave Coulier](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/dave-coulier). Dave Coulier took over starting in 1988, and continued on 'til the end. ---
**Author:** ![CJay](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/cjay/32/5960_2.png) [@CJay](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/CJay)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/14 "2010-06-25T17:44:27Z")
This reminds me of the fact that [Frank Welker](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/frank-welker) is now the current voice of Garfield for the new series. Someone once said that he sounds like a depressed Ray or Fred Jones. That being said, it’s pretty tough that they’d ever find ANYONE as good as [Lorenzo Music](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/lorenzo-music) in any capacity. If they ever brought back Gummi Bears, they’d have to drop Tug Gummi because it just wouldn’t be the same. Music was a great character actor, meaning he didn’t have to be a carbon copy, he could give personality and voice to characters that otherwise wouldn’t have any. Mel Blanc was like this too, and to a certain degree so is [Billy West](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/billy-west). Coulier was doing a job and was paid for it. While it wasn’t good, I can only imagine that if he hadn’t, the series would have been cancelled after '88 and that would have been it. ---
**Author:** ![fritz](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/fritz/32/10773_2.png) [@fritz](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/fritz)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/15 "2010-06-25T23:21:38Z")
And of course, this is one more thing Ghostheads can blame on Bill Murray’s massive ego, too. [Ergo:](http://www.ghostbustershq.com/interviews/interviewmichael.php) > [@](#): > > Then mid-way through production Bill was having lunch with Ivan Reitman and said how much he liked the show and said “why doesn’t he sound like me?” ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/16 "2010-06-26T01:04:07Z")
> [@Fritz](#): > > And of course, this is one more thing Ghostheads can blame on Bill Murray’s massive ego, too. > > [Ergo:](http://www.ghostbustershq.com/interviews/interviewmichael.php) > > > [@](#): > > > > Then mid-way through production Bill was having lunch with Ivan Reitman and said how much he liked the show and said “why doesn’t he sound like me?” I will never understand [Bill Murray](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/bill-murray); he wants the character to sound like him, but it took him forever to sign off on an action figure of himself…and then has issues with doing a Ghostbusters sequel. so…does he like the franchise, does he not..what’s goin’ on with that, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![CJay](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/cjay/32/5960_2.png) [@CJay](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/CJay)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/17 "2010-06-26T03:23:55Z")
For the sequel stuff, [Bill Murray](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/bill-murray) just isn’t too interested in sequels. GB2 was a comeback film of sorts since he hadn’t acted in several years, and even then he’s always said he wasn’t keen on the project since. I think Bill does have a certain reverance for the original film, of that much is certain, and for the franchise. Maybe not as much as [Dan Aykroyd](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/dan-aykroyd) and [Harold Ramis](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/harold-ramis) or [Ernie Hudson](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/ernie-hudson), but he does have a soft spot for the film since it represents an era in his career where he was probably the funniest man in America. ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/18 "2010-06-26T03:50:44Z")
> [@CJay](#): > > For the sequel stuff, Bill Murray just isn’t too interested in sequels. GB2 was a comeback film of sorts since he hadn’t acted in several years, and even then he’s always said he wasn’t keen on the project since. > > I think Bill does have a certain reverance for the original film, of that much is certain, and for the franchise. Maybe not as much as Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramis or Ernie Hudson, but he does have a soft spot for the film since it represents an era in his career where he was probably the funniest man in America. then I must once again ask why it took so long for him to sign off on an action figure. ---
**Author:** ![CJay](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/cjay/32/5960_2.png) [@CJay](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/CJay)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/19 "2010-06-26T13:47:18Z")
Other people might know, but I’m willing to believe that it was a combination of timing, the money being good, and actually approving a sculpt he liked. I don’t know the full details of why NECA was unable to get the likenesses, but because of the fact that the franchise is split into fourths, between Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, and [Ivan Reitman](https://www.gbfans.com/wiki/people/ivan-reitman), if all four aren’t on-board nothing’s gonna happen and I suppose Murray wasn’t thrilled at the time with how concept art for his sculpt was looking. ---
**Author:** ![LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/user_avatar/forum.gbfans.com/lordvigo82/32/3974_2.png) [@LordVigo82](https://forum.gbfans.com/u/LordVigo82)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863/20 "2010-06-26T19:18:46Z")
> [@CJay](#): > > Other people might know, but I’m willing to believe that it was a combination of timing, the money being good, and actually approving a sculpt he liked. I don’t know the full details of why NECA was unable to get the likenesses, but because of the fact that the franchise is split into fourths, between Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, and Ivan Reitman, if all four aren’t on-board nothing’s gonna happen and I suppose Murray wasn’t thrilled at the time with how concept art for his sculpt was looking. I did hear he’s currently going thru divorce proceedings, and might’ve been a bit more willing to take the money in that case since he’s probably forking over tons in alimony and whatnot. [Next page](https://forum.gbfans.com/t/why-i-cant-stand-dave-couliers-venkman/12863.md?page=2)