seeing the skull of gozer in the game and shandor saying “he failed me, TWICE!”, we have like two theories.
ONE: Gozers secound defeat as stay-puft (apparently he cant shapeshift in a world where his form is chosen), and was destroyed or something and shandor tired of whorshiping gozer only to be met with failiure ,decided to take over gozers place by becoming a new destructor.
TWO: Shandor, disgusted by gozers faliures saw him as unworthy to whorship or fulfill his end of the world plot probably killed gozer for failing him, and decided to become the NEW destructor.
either way it seems shandor decided to roleplay gozer the destructor to me (and succeded).
i think it was theory two (to show how strong shandor was).
I took it as gozer failing twice ■■■■■■ off the architect, so the architect promoted shandor to paranormal chuck norris status. As such, shandor’s first order of business as paranormal chuck norris was to off gozer for screwing up the plan twice and making him go about it bobby brown style (want something done, gotta do it yourself).
I assumed the skull was kept as an artifact for worship, indicating that before Gozer was a demigod, he was mortal, and that was his human skull Shandor/Muligan was holding…
But that’s just me.
Afterall, Shandor was mortal, before he died and became the Archetect
Keep in mind that one of the Cursed Artifacts you find is the skull of Ivo Shandor, IIRC.
This can be a similar situation with Gozer. Though the initial mortal body might be around, such as in a grave or just sitting around waiting for a PKE to find it, they have probably transubstantiated. So Gozer’s mortal skull could be around somewhere, like an alter that the Gozer Worshipers most likely have (a very likely place for the bones, or at least skull, of the mortal Gozer to be).
Merely another hypothesis to add onto the pile. However it does seem more likely to point that Shandor just off’ed Gozer all together Soprano’s Style and assumed that position for his own.
Well, Shandor strated out as a human for sure. He even mentions that he died a while back. That’s why his skull really doesn’t have any impact other than being a cool artifact for you to collect. For all we know, Gozer was never human/ a body with a ghost, just something the nether world or some other parallel dimension coughed up and Shandor attatched himself and his group to the first paranormal badass he came across.
I think it’s pretty obvious he killed Gozer and that Gozer’s humanoid form was it’s form in the other dimensions. Like Ray said, one form per destructor per dimension. Of course that doesn’t explain how Gozer was able to arrive in other forms in the past. Perhaps when certain rituals are performed Gozer’s form can reset, or maybe it’s after a certain amount of time, or perhaps Gozer has to enter out world in a certain way in order to change forms like coming through it’s own portal.
Either way, It seems the humanoid Gozer was Gozer’s form in ghost world and that must have been where Shandor killed it thus the glowing skull with hair. That’s certainly no normal human skull.
Oh yeah, that’s a good point. I just assume Vince was going on about ancient civilizations in our dimension, but after hearing it again and reading what he was saying it makes a lot more sense that they were other dimensions.
Exactly, we can’t know because it’s all speculation and each hypothesis holds water decently. Gozer might never have been human, yes. But also Gozer could’ve been human and eventually turned into a god, after all Ivo Shandor obviously did. If he can’t, why can’t others? Gozer might’ve been a traveling conquerer in another dimension in a distant time, impressed the spirit world or whoever, gained power, and eventually became a god.
As for the “humanoid” form, that’s because as Spengler mentioned that he can take any form he wishes. In GB1’s case it was a chick who looked a little meth’d out, probably a stunt double for Bridgette Nielson in Red Sonja. Though this is just the base form, not the Destructor form specifically. Indeed as Ray mentioned in the game his theory is of 1 D-form per dimension.
Im pretty sure Vince was talking about other dimensions, “During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants…”
I dont know about you guys but the way those was phrased makes Vuldronaii and Meketrex sound like they are races of people not that they are human. I doubt Egon even knew what he was really talking about.
Does anyone know what happened to the skull after the end battle? I’m writing a script for a direct sequel to the game and one of my ideas hinges on that skull.
The museum (interacting with the speaker) mentions that Gozer the destroyer became Gozer the traveller, voyaging to multiple distant worlds, allowing a single (or in the ghostbusters case, 4) hero to choose it’s destructor form, and then conquering that world. Gozer gained access to each world through two demi-god ambassadors “coupling” (the game can’t say “■■■■■■■” obviously).
Given Ray’s comments earlier in the game, pertaining to the alternate library (one of an infinite possibilities, theoretically speaking) that those cultures may have been on earth, but not our earth…sort of like a “sliders” type deal…so, distant dimensionally, but not planet wise maybe? So, those may have been humans, but not humans as we would know them.
Well, the mayor just casually tossed it behind him, and no one picked it up when they left. I’m gonna assume it stayed in that room and sank back into the ghost world with the rest of the Central Park cemetery.
That was my assumption as well, Shandor-possessed Mayor had hold of the physical skull of Gozer while levitating and doing that evil-villain–james-bond-talk-revelation and tossed it off to the side. “Why worship a God when you can become one?” He no longer saw Gozer fit for worship and instead was granted, or granted himself, Gozerian power and assumed the Deity position.
@ Deaditebuster, regarding the writing of a script. Please. No more Gozerian anything. We have the first movie and this game, which by the way the Shandor’s plan is what plausibly unleashed Vigo, so really all 3 are Gozer(ian) related. Enough Gozer. Just like I would absolutely hate to see Dana Barret be the target of the supernatural and focal point of the plot again. It’s been done, time to move on and put in fresh face to fight.
Shiva, Set, Perses, Loki, Martu, Chalmecatecuchtlz, Hachiman, Ereshkigal, Mot, Morrigan, Hades, Azrael, etc. So many other cultures out there, pick god of War, Destruction, Pestilence, there’s hundreds to chose from.
Or even go Lovecraftian w/ The Ancients. You can’t ■■■■ off a select group if it’s fictional.
I’d go for Loki…a nordic trickerster god. He wasn’t always evil per say, but he was kind of an ■■■■■■■. He’d ■■■■ with the ghostbusters just for funsies…I can see that.