It was disgusting and vile what happened in charlotesville. Those ■■■■ ■■■■■■■■, and the anarchists that got violent should be arrested and held accountable. The piece of garbage that drove that car should get the death penalty. How many more times do we have to see people acting worse then barbarians?
Half of these dumb ■■■■■ in masks and helmets couldn’t even point to Pennsylvania on a map much less tell you where Gettysburg is. I guarantee the lot of these neanderthal’s wouldn’t even know what started the Civil War or who the hell Robert E. Lee was.
The sad part in all this is the ■■■■■■■■ that won’t get arrested are just going to move onto another protest and repeat the cycle of violence all over again. Some of these shit stains are professional rioters and not even from Charlotesville.
Actually, they may have only erected some of them. A British newspaper I was reading today indicated some Confederate Civil War memorials/statues weren’t put up in the dying years of the war, nor in the initial post-civil-war years, but across a range of time from the 1900s to the 1950s, by confederacy-sympathising state and local government officials.
Correct. These were not monuments to fallen soliders or anything. They were built a century later as a big FU to Civil Rights groups. I’m sure a lot of Southerns today grew up with them and assume they’re far older and timeless than they actually are. Nostalgia has its ugly moments.
I was down at the Jersey shore the other day. I read recently that the Klan had taken the area over in the '20s to intimidate the Italian and Irish Catholics vacationing there. The Klan hates pretty much everyone. And there were no “good people” carrying torches last weekend. Not saying they can’t change. Many Klansmen have. But Trump doesn’t seem to get how much he’s enabling them.
It begs the question though, why isn’t being a ■■■■/Neo-■■■■ an actual crime? Criminal prosecutions can be brought against holocaust deniers, so why in the name of sanity is waving the ■■■■■■■■ (outside of historical re-enactment) and throwing the ■■■■ salute not an arrestable offense? Considering the nation fought against them from 1941-1945, I’m surprised that it wasn’t declared in the 1940s that anyone subscribing to ■■■■ tendencies/ideologies was an enemy of the state and should be imprisoned.
I’m not an American but the first Amendment allows for free speech, no matter how stupid. Now there are limits. You can’t shout “Fire!” In a crowded theatre unless there is one. But as vile and evil and sickening as Neo ■■■■’s are, that first amendment gives them the right to say whatever they want. Some would say we can’t go arresting people no matter how much we disagree with them. It’s a slippery slope they would say. Americans hold their constitution VERY seriously. Look how many innocent lives have been lost due to guns and no President would get elected if they even mention repealing the whatever numbered amendment that gives them the right to bare arms(which I say just gives people the right to wear sleeveless T shirts!). What Americans refuse to acknowledge is that certain amendments were written during a special time and place. What was written in 1776 may not apply to today. The founding fathers couldn’t foresee the weapons that would be developed with technology like armour piercing bullets and hollow point ammunition. But that first amendment is a special one. Gives them the right to spout hateful bigotry and my right to call them facist losers with tiny, um, “Hands”.
Personally I don’t believe it should, silencing Nazis should be one of those things all reasonable people can agree on as being the right thing to do, and silencing it shouldn’t incur a threat of leading to a slippery slope. When you foster a culture that allows this sort of hateful cancer to perpetuate and grow… well… you get situations like Charlottesville.
Agreed, much like the provisions that bar non-American-born citizens from becoming President, some of it just isn’t relevant anymore. In some areas I believe the Constitution was written so that it could be reflective of the 1770s and now, other parts I’d like to believe were either written with the idea in mind that it would be a document that would evolve with time… or would’ve been replaced by an updated Constitution at some point in the future.
First Amendment. As long as all they’re doing is saying stupid things, it’s not a crime. When it crosses over into intimidation, that’s where they’re not necessarily protected. And they’re definitely not protected when they get violent.
The theory behind the First Amendment is that bad speech much be allowed, or we risk losing all speech. Today I could censor a ■■■■, but tomorrow they could gain some influence and censor me. Plus, we’d rather have the Klan announce their stupidity to the world, so we can recognize it for what it is. We don’t want them hiding in the shadows. And this has worked for many years. The Klan talked themselves into irrelevancy. But on the other hand, our economy wasn’t too bad years back. The Klan has always been fueled by desperation. That’s why they’re coming back. Not because of speech.
I mean, you weren’t brought up this way, I can understand that it doesn’t seem to make sense.
It shouldn’t. But we’ve observed that that is human nature.
Thing is, gun violence in America is intrinsically linked to poverty. It *always *comes back to poverty. Help people to be upwardly mobile, there will be less gun violence. But that’s happening less and less. When corporate greed and hard hearted politicians use and abuse the working class for so long, those people become hard hearted themselves and turn against each other.
It’s easy to say that gun violence can be solved by lifting poverty but that’s just one part of it.
You have cities like Chicago and Detroit with the strictest gun laws in the country allowing gangs and dealers to run around as they please. A lot of these laws are unconstitutional but that doesn’t matter when these cities are run by liberal mayors. States that allow people to carry have less crime then those who don’t.
As long as they keep electing idiots like Blazio and Rob Emanual nothings going to change in those environments.
Maybe that has worked in the UK. Making things illegal just doesn’t seem to work too well in the US. The illegal object just becomes a huge underground market, every time.
Hmm. I don’t know if that is true. Plus you can carry anywhere so long as you have a permit, no? Places like Florida have lax guns laws, don’t they? Florida has a major crime problem. See that Vice episode I posted? If you watched it look how many guns that Neo ■■■■ carries. High Power assault rifle, multiple hand guns, tactile gear. The law allows him to own that ■■■■. I think people should be able to purchase a fire arm like a carbine rifle as a hunting weapon(after passing background checks and being put in a database similar to license plates) . Assault rifles and hand guns are only meant for one thing
Let me put it this way. I don’t think it’s especially…appreciated when white people disparage Chicago. It doesn’t come across like we care, it comes across like we’re judging. I mean, and there are black people who are trying to lift up their communities in the inner cities. We don’t hear about them because “if it bleeds, it leads.”
It worked in U.K, Australia, Canada, Germany, Sweden, France, Japan, Finland, Iceland, Italy, Portugal, Switzerland etc
Then why make anything illegal? Why have laws at all? Murder is illegal but murder still happens. It wouldn’t stop gun violence but it would take a massive chunk out of it and you wouldn’t be able to go to Walmart and buy a gun. If it goes underground, fine. Then the people owning them can be prosecuted under the law.
Yes, European type countries (plus Japan). We are not like you, lol. In many ways. Not saying better, just different.
Well there are many different reasons for murder. One solution won’t fit all.
But that kind of thing isn’t dealt with quickly. Prohibition created a huge criminal mob enterprise that wasn’t easily prosecuted. See the thing is, our legal system is set up* to keep people out of jail. * Which means it is very hard to keep people arrested, and to get convictions.
Right. So why bother? Also, That’s a pretty facile analogy. Prohibition took a consumable substance off the market. Yes it created a huge criminal enterprise, but it was also created for political rather than safety reasons. How do you explain Heroin? Meth? Cocaine? Should those be legal because it’s difficult to get convictions?
What I’m hearing here is “meh. It’s just too hard and too complex”
Also, hate to break it to you but in today’s Global society, America is just like everyone else. The one thing different in the equation? You have access to guns and have more gun violence than anywhere in the world. China has over a billion people and they have significantly less gun violence.
We are all pretty much the same. Sure there are minor variations in culture, but Canada is pretty much America Jr. We all breathe the same air, ultimately came from the same place. Most of us believe in Good Vs Evil. We watch the same movies, TV shows. Listen to the same music.
Well it was both. Some groups had political motivations. But the Women’s Temperance movement did genuinely care about families and what alcohol was doing to them.
The war on drugs has been a miserable failure in this country. It’s not that we haven’t tried.
Obviously not when you guys are still so perplexed by how we do things.
China is also one of the worst violators of human rights on the planet.
Thank you, Homer Simpson, hehe, but they certainly don’t see themselves that way.
Obviously, but this isn’t a fairy tale, it is complicated.
Absolutely, but we bring different mentalities to them. I mean diversity includes different life experiences.
