Honestly if it wasn’t made the subject of a few 15 minute rants by irate you tubers I don’t think anyone would’ve even noticed and be using it as a reason to hate the movie. As arguments go it really is clasping at thin air.
My one bit of advice going in to the movie for anyone who hast seen it but is now worried that maybe all the male characters are idiots or douches, you know what, it’s ok not to get offended by them, or on their behalf. Just sit back and revel in the ridiculousness of their characters and don’t overthink them, I guarantee you’ll enjoy it far more that way :love:
Really shouldn’t drag on with the point everyone else has made, but I think the man hate is really only there if you are looking for it. Given the hate surrounding this film, I have no doubt plenty of people are looking for it.
I get it, some are like “Get this man-hate out of my Ghostbusters movie”, and whatever, if you think its there, then its your opinion not to like it, and that’s fine. Really though how many movies have been out there that were pretty poor regarding the women in them? A summer tentpole for women is a pretty big move for a studio, and it isn’t going to ruin your childhood or however it was you saw the original films that they used Ghostbusters for that. Sit back and judge it as a Ghostbusters film, and stop looking for the hidden meaning once in a while.
If you can’t get over it, look at it this way: there’s other projects coming out. Even if the movie does well enough for a sequel, I doubt Paul Feig attaches himself for the franchise, and someone else will likely direct the next sequel, which might set a different tone than Feig’s movies. Even if he does direct, they’re trying to set up a new franchise, I doubt this will be the only GB series going.
Yeah at this point it’s probably just best to agree to disagree. Again, I can’t stress enough that I loved the movie and I’ll be going back to see it again next week. I just thought I noticed something there, but, I’ll admit I did kind of go in there expecting there to be a certain amount of mansogyny.
We will have years to break down and pick-apart GB16! Let’s just bask in the ectoplasmic awesomeness for now!
I never found the original Ghostbusters to be anti-women, but it definitely did have a “boy’s club” feel to it. At no point did I think the sexual symbolism or sexual jokes in the first Ghostbusters crossed the line into inappropriate.
That being said, I never found that Ghostbusters 2016 did it either, despite having a “girl’s club” feel to it. I definitely don’t feel that the movie crossed the line into inappropriate.
I totally get the “its just a gender flip” argument because it very much is, but I will never understand the “anti-men” argument. If you turned any of the GBs into a man and ran the movie exactly the same then none of the context changes. Everyone is a cartoon and everyone who isn’t a GB is an intolerable ■■■■■■■, there are just more men supporting characters than female.
Yeah me neither, the mayor, Heis and Erin’s dean are not sexist, dumb or evil in my opinion so when EW calls all men either dumb, evil or sexist in the movie it’s simply not true.
Erin’s dean actually think a very highly of her, instead of her clothes, with Holtzmann also critiques. It’s only when he sees her doing ghost studies he tells her to pack her things and go. Before that he called her the best of the best in her particular field if study.
Abbie’s dean does not believe in ghosts and yes, while he is a dick, he thinks he is swindled for money. Not because there are 3 girls in front of them. And they do steal his stuff.
The mayor simply wants them to keep quit about ghosts. His female flunky is the asshole is the scene. He is not dumb or dismissive because they are women, he even allows them to continue. Just a little more discrete.
Heis just does not believe in ghosts and is very sceptical. It has nothing to do with their gender
Look if you want to see it, you can see it. Which is why others presented some examples from GB84. Not because they actually think GB84 is sexist, but simply because if you look with a certain mindset you can find it.
I think the way the film is cut NOW is much better for the main stream audience. This version doesn’t seem to be Anti Male. Some of the later tv spots made it seem Anti Male. Like the part where Benny the Chinese delivery guy makes some kind of remark about catching a man. I am glad that was cut out of the film. I am glad Kevin’s line where he says “We need to build something to fight these damn Ghosts” was cut from the final film. Kevin was still portrayed as a total moron that feels like he belongs in a Disney Channel or Nikolodeon Original Series. Chris Hemsworth shines when he is possessed, but as Kevin he just didn’t feel like he was a real 3 Dimensional character.
I find it amazing how Feig and Sony keep trying to calm us down saying the film isn’t sexist yet it’s managed to offend not just males but females as well. It’s THAT obvious. The whole thing is a debacle to be honest. If Feig and Dippold had more sense they could have empowered women in a better way. All they did was the exact opposite? Saving the day by shooting the villain in the crotch? That’s empowerment? :roll:
One part that got me thinking anti male was at the end with weaver’s cameo. Especially when they are talking about the containment unit not having warning lights and the blond says warning lights are for dudes. I took that as a hit at the original when Ray says light is green, trap is clean part. Or the fact that the original containment unit had certain warning lights. To me it was like oh we’re girls. We don’t need warning lights like a man would have installed. Just my opinion tho.
Possible yes. Likely no. Not just because the new film features females in powerful roles of course, but also because the franchise is back into mainstream.
Just found this posted on Facebook… I don’t honestly care about where this discussion goes, but maybe somebody will like the video, so I’m just sharing it…
You know, I’m all for female equality and stuff, but claiming GB84 is sexist is not only false, but also not helping the discussion GB16 is perceived as such as well. All it does is state Venkman is a dog, which is exactly what’s intended. When given the chance to really take advantage of Dana he does not. (Though I hope he found the tranquilizer somewhere in her department.)
Either way: two wrongs don’t make a right.
All it proofs is that I said earlier: with the right mindset it’s easy to find sexism where it is not intended.
Some of my favorite parts and biggest laughs were the so called “anti-male” jokes. In fact, I think a “safety lights are for dudes” tee shirt would be amazing.
The reason I have no problem with the safety lights are for dudes joke is because it just shows she has not only built a inresponsible machine even her mentor warns her about, she is called out on it for not even having safetylights and she clearly does not care about the possible dangers. For me, that’s the joke.
Why make gender specific jokes in a Ghostbusters movie? It’s a movie about situations in which the human spirit deals with the supernatural. Not about women vs men. What does that have to do with anything apart from the political agenda of this movie?
