Because it’s a comedy, it’s not real life, and it’s funny. Why get worked up about it? Jillian Holtzmann is a badass and an awesome character. Guess what? She’s a girl. Guess what? She’s a lesbian. Guess what? She’s played by a lesbian!
Guess what girls do? Make fun of guys, all the time. They also make jokes about their vaginas. I promise you it’s going to be okay.
Also, I’ve never met a woman who didn’t want to shoot a proton stream into a mans special place.
–
Venkman actively pursuing Dana also had nothing to do with ghosts or ghostbusting. It’s a character trait for Venkamn to chase the ladies. Nobody had a problem with that right?
Totally agree, was just sharing something I found on Facebook… I didn’t truly care about what it said, but thought it would be something to share in the discussion…
Peter telling the group to “Make 'em hard” isn’t a gender specific joke? Pretty sure that’s a male erection joke.
Idk, I just don’t see how someone can be offended by a ■■■■■ joke and not feel the same by Peter’s hard on joke or Egon’s epididymis line in GB2. Its one thing to not find something funny, its another thing entirely to be offended by it. Then again, I’m also that A-hole who will adamantly defend that Slimer ■■■■■■ in the ballroom scene.
Why make gender specific jokes? Simple, because gender exists.
Did we not have discussions where GB84 was more than just a paranormal movie, but also about 4 friends going into business, with fun banter and stuff?
Also, where is GB16 about men vs woman? Because of one ■■■■■ joke, which Erin finds repulsive as she thinks herself a big shot and above such childish pranks, distancing her from her Abby. She changes her attitude as all 4 hit Rowan in his invisible ghost ■■■■■.For me the joke is they all chose the same spot unbeknownst to each other and Patty reflecting on that. Best joke in the movie? Nope. But it shows Erin is not a stuck up bitch anymore as before and the arch ends as she rescues Abby.
Are they gender jokes? Sure. Just like the missing pecker from Mr Peck. Does not mean it’s suddenly a men vs woman movie simply because females do it now.
While I don’t agree with everything he says, I think it kind of sums up a lot of the things being said here. I’m hesitant to post this on the “review” section, mostly because it’s very politically motivated, and from a political website.
Have a read but be warned… This will trigger a lot of the SJW’s on there forums. Read at your own risk!
I like my word better.
I think a major mis-step from people defending this movie and really throughout social media is the fact that when anyone finds issue with something, it’s automatically assumed that the said person is getting “worked up”. We can disagree and discuss things without assuming both sides are raving lunatics.
It’s sad the Ghostbusters franchise had to get caught in this political-gender nonsense. All I wanted was more Ghostbusters, that’s all… and Ecto Cooler. At least the people at IDW know what they’re doing.
wow, I’ve avoided reading his review but I think it says more about him than the film. He really does come across as an odious little man.
On the other end of the spectrum I read this piece that Paul Feig retweeted and it really hit me, as I had the same experience during the Times Square battle too of being taken back to being 7 and playing Ghostbusters in the school yard, only it’s interesting to read it coming from a ladies perspective of what it meant to play ghostbusters at that age
Also my partner came out of the cinema saying “I really wish I had that film as a kid” and myself as one of those kids at the time that relegated the girls to playing Janine or April O’neil (or the last boy to pick characters if there were’t any willing girls to join in) I really hope this does something to help the balance of awesome characters for kids of both genders.
I took my 6 year old daughter to see the original for the special theater showings and she danced out of the theater singing the Ghostbusters theme the whole way.
I saw the movie four times so far. There is no anti-male stuff in the entire movie (and it would have pissed me off if there were, Ghostbusters is for everyone), with the POSSIBLE exception of “safety lights are for dudes”, and this was a humorous throwaway line - I took it as Holtzmann quoting her mentor, something Weaver’s character used to say when she was teaching Holtzmann, not as if Jillian hates men or thinks men are wimps.
Besides that line (which is tamer than Venkman saying “Women!” in GB2), there was no “battle of the sexes” type crap in ATC. In fact I have read feminist reviews that are disappointed the GBs being women wasn’t emphasized more.
I wouldn’t believe one single word of that review even if I didn’t like the film considering the piece of dirt who wrote it is responsible for beginning the racist uproar that ran Leslie Jones off Twitter. The movie isn’t perfect, but I loved it and had fun with it, and that’s one article I’m happy to ignore, even if there was a point or two worth agreeing with.
Going back to the topic, really the only thing regarding gender issues in the film I didn’t care was the “shooting Rowan in the dick” bit, and that was more because it just made me cringe for being kind of stupid. Otherwise, I just don’t see the other men as ■■■■■■■■. Honestly, the biggest one is probably the Mayor’s assistant, and that’s a woman. Even when other characters are ■■■■■■■■, she’s the only one who even mentions gender, in her “sad, lonely women” speech.
Hell I actually like the Mayor, even if its mostly for the “Don’t compare me to the Jaws mayor” bit.
He didn’t start it, nor did he call on anyone to do it. She was melting down on Twitter for hours before he even tweeted anything. The people responsible are the same ragtag group of usual suspects that are always behind these raids.
Regarding the shooting the dick thing. For me the joke, while certainly not the best one, was they had not planned it.
[spoiler]Abbey just says something along the line of ‘he is too strong for the trap, we need to weaken him: shoot him!’
And they all 4 go for the same spot, which regarding his position makes sense.
That was what made me chuckle: Patty reflecting on how they all chose the same spot without deciding beforehand where to hit him.[/spoiler]
Does it matter if he or one of his followers started it? He chimed in numerous times and certainly did not stop it. He is just one of the many people banned for this that allowed it to continue.
This is such a weak argument. Growing up in my neighborhood there were 7 of us, 4 males and 3 females. I’ll never forget, I was always the Ghostbuster (venkman), my best friend Dom was always Donatello, Manho (joe) was always ultra-man (I know wtf lol), Kenny would usually volunteer to be the bad guy because he was a year older and always taller than all of us. Rachel was always Rainbow Brite, Stephanie was always Buffy (as the movie had just come out and she was OBSESSED), and lastly, the other Rachel was always Ripley (even though her parents wouldn’t let her watch Alien or Aliens (we were like 10)). But she knew how badass Ripley was from word of mouth, I guess.
Now, obviously we weren’t ALWAYS those particular characters (Although I was always either Venkman or Michelangelo), but from what my feeble mind can remember, those were usually who we were. It’s also worth mentioning that the girls would sometimes be female members of the X-men.
I guess we were way ahead of our time in terms of “cross overs”, but we used to have a blast pretending what interactions between Buffy and the Ghostbusters would be like. We were more focused on “who’s your favorite character, OK! You can be him/her” than we were on “we’re playing Ninja Turtles or Ghostbusters today” And, I have to add… Ripley HATED Venkman, as I was really good at RPing Venkmans womanizing qualities. I was punched in the stomach and kicked in the nuts countless times for hitting on Ripley. Ahhh, back when kids could police themselves. Not once did I go home crying to mommy that Rachel beat me up again haha.
My point is, there have always been strong females in movies, perhaps not to the extent we see now (hunger games, new ghostbusters, force awakens, etc). But to say that girls were always “stuck” being Janine or April is just weak.
I’m sorry if as children you couldn’t think outside of the box.
That’s nice that you were so progressive, not all kids were/are and I just can’t see how it’s a negative that now there’s more character choices and different types of role models for kids.
