"The Marble Palace": a definitive history of Fire Station №23

With the Ghostbusters’ Firehouse becoming a principal location again at the end of Ghostbusters: Afterlife, and also in the new film planned for release later this year… And with the Firehouse’s interior filming location, Fire Station №23, being renovated for potential use as a Youth-Arts Center in Los Angeles’s skid row… It seemed appropriate to finally make a definitive topic to concentrate all of the information that’s been posted on this forum over the years… As well as to showcase some of the new information that’s come to light thanks to the historical archives on Newspapers.com.

Part of this new topic will be “The Marble Palace”: a definitive history of Fire Station №23, a dissertation/thesis which be posted in this topic, and will chart the early origins of Fire Station №23, the scandals surrounding the building, and the station’s later life as a silent star of Hollywood’s motion picture industry.

“The Marble Palace” will feature transcriptions of the quoted historical news articles, so those who are interested can read a little further into the various stages in the station’s conception, and later life… And where possible, present period photographs of the station.

This new topic will also eventually feature an updated set of floor plan drawings, substantially revising the previous effort posted back in 2008-2010.

To kick things off, here’s a concept illustration that was produced by architects Hudson & Munsell, which was featured in the 13th June 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Times:

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Great post, Ben! The original concept image is wild, I would LOVE to see old renderings of the bay floor.

If any surface, I’ll post them… Though sadly it’s likely most of the original renderings have either been lost to time or the obscurity of undigitized archives. There are some photos that aren’t on the website for the Los Angeles Fire Department

Historical Archive that I’ll be posting in due course. :slight_smile:

Cool project, looking forward to more posts! Only wish we had more and better pictures or even blueprints of Hook & Ladder 8 when it was still a 2-bay firehouse. That one image that looks like it’s been taken in the 1860s is really crappy.

I’ve been meaning to post these-- location info sheet for LA23 circa late-80s. :love:

Desirable Productions, ooh la la!

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Is it wise to keep the old phone number visible on that old flyer?

This is so cool!

Can’t wait to learn more.

Derek, I could kiss you!

I’d read about that brochure when the Los Angeles Times did it’s expose on “Olde 23’s”, and I even got a hold of some cropped sections of it from somewhere… Maybe the old topic on Proptopia, but I’ve never seen the full thing before. Thank you! :slight_smile:

I agree, that was frickin’ amazing, Derek! Pat on the back.

“Desirable Productions” almost made me shoot coffee out of my nose this morning. Oh, Daniel…

Good pull, Derek!

Work continues on “The Marble Palace”, and while there’s nothing massively substantive to post yet, I wanted to at least provide a little tidbit, updating Fire Station №23’s filmography, which was recently compiled in this topic.

*= Fire Station №23 has a “cameo appearance” in this production.

** = Fire Station №23 has a major role in this production.

  • = Exterior Only.

** = Interior Only.

*** = Interior & Exterior.

The Los Angeles Fire Department (1912) (Believed to be permanently lost)

Foot Patrol (1947-1950) (Exact date of recording/broadcast unknown)**

Little Shop of Horrors (1960)**

Firehouse (1973)****

The Blue Knight (1973)***

Adam-12: “Suspect Number One” (1974)**

Special Delivery (1976)**

The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew Mysteries: “The Lady on Thursday at Ten”*

White Mama (1980)**

Hill Street Blues: “Presidential Fever” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “Film at Eleven” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “Up in Arms” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “Your Kind, My Kind, Humankind” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Rites of Spring - Part 1” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Rites of Spring - Part 2” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “Jungle Madness - Part 1” (1981)**

True Confessions (1981)**

Darkroom: “Uncle George” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “Chipped Beef” (1981)**

Hill Street Blues: “Zen and the Art of Law Enforcement” (1982)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Young, The Beautiful and the Deranged” (1982)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Shooter” (1982)**

Hill Street Blues: “Invasion of the Third World Body Snatchers” (1982)**

Hammett (1982)*****

Honeyboy (1982)***

Hill Street Blues: “Heat Rash” (1982)**

Hill Street Blues: “Moon Over Uranus” (1983)**

Hill Street Blues: “Life in the Minors” (1983)**

Hill Street Blues: “Spotlight on Rico” (1983)**

Ghostbusters (1984)****

“Ghostbusters” - Ray Parker Jr. (1984)*** (Fire Station №23 footage is from the movie)

Hill Street Blues: “The Long Law of the Arm” (1984)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Russians Are Coming” (1984)**

Hill Street Blues: “Parting is Such Sweep Sorrow” (1984)**

Hill Street Blues: “Fowl Play” (1984)**

Hill Street Blues: “Bangladesh Slowly” (1984)**

T. J. Hooker: “A Kind of Rage” (1984)**

Simon & Simon: “Almost Foolproof” (1985)**

Police Academy 2: Their First Assignment (1985)***

Knight Rider (1985) (Promotional video only)*****

Hill Street Blues: “Seoul on Ice” (1985)**

Hill Street Blues: “You’re in Alice’s” (1985)**

The A-Team: “The Road to Hope” (1985)*****

Hill Street Blues: “Oh, You Kid” (1985)**

Hill Street Blues: “An Oy for an Oy” (1985)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Virgin and the Turkey” (1985)***

Hill Street Blues: “Two Easy Pieces” (1986)**

Hill Street Blues: “Say it as It Plays” (1986)**

Hill Street Blues: “Scales of Justice” (1986)**

Hill Street Blues: “Larry of Arabia” (1986)**

Hill Street Blues: “Jagga the Hunk” (1986)**

Police Academy III: Back In Training (1986)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Best Defense” (1986)**

Big Trouble in Little China (1986)****

Hill Street Blues: “Der Roachenkavalier” (1987)**

Hill Street Blues: “Days of Swine and Roses” (1987)**

“Where The Streets Have No Name” - U2 (1987) (Extended music video version)**

Hill Street Blues: “The Runner Falls on His Kisser” (1987)**

Hill Street Blues: “A Pound of Flesh” (1987)**

Beverly Hills Cop II (1987)**

The Wild Pair (1987)*****

The Night Before (1988)**

Ghostbusters II (1989)****

“Call it Love”: - Poco (1989)****

Flatliners (1990)****

Rainbow Drive (1990)*****

A Quiet Little Neighborhood, a Perfect Little Murder (1990)*****

Predator 2 (1990)**

Knight Rider 2000 (1991) (Reuse of footage from 1985 promo)***

The Killing Mind (1991)*****

Life Stinks (1991)***

V.I. Warshawski (1991)*****

Femme Fatale (1991)*****

Pyrates (1991)*****

Breaking the Silence (1992)****

The Mask (1994)*****

Mother/The Haunted Heart (1994)*****

Alien Nation: Dark Horizon (1994)*** (Although the shot’s filmed so flush with the angle of the street you can barely make out Fire Station №23 if you don’t know what to look for)

Profiler: “Ring of Fire” (1996)****

Set It Off (1996)*****

Profiler: “Night Dreams” (1996)***

Lost Highway (1997)****

Suicide Kings (1997)****

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: “Faith, Hope & Trick” (1998)****

FlashPoint (1998)*****

Million Dollar Hotel (2000)**

National Security (2003)*****

Land of Plenty (2004)*****

R(e)Evolution (2005) (A self-funded proof of concept that has never been fully released)*****

Third Watch: “The Nights of Camelot” Retrospective featurette (2008)****

CSI: NY: “Taxi” (2008)*****

NCIS: “Stakeout” (2008)**

“Lloro Por Ti” - Enrique Iglesias (2008)****

Days of Wrath (2008) (Never released)*****

“Lloro Por Ti” Remix - Enrique Iglesias, Wisin & Yandel (2008)****

“Dublab VisionVersion: Remind Me” - Erlend Øye (2008)*****

The Soloist (2009)**

Body Heat (2010)*****

Grey’s Anatomy: “Can’t Fight Biology” (2010)***

Grey’s Anatomy: “Something’s Gotta Give” (2010)**

Grey’s Anatomy: Start Me Up (2011)**

“Stone Rollin’” - Raphael Saadiq (2011)***

Grey’s Anatomy: I Will Survive (2011)**

Grey’s Anatomy: Unaccompanied Minor (2011)**

“Where Them Girls At” - David Guetta (2011)**

R(e)EVOLUTION: Hero Story (2012)** (A cut-down version of the self-funded proof of concept from 2008) (2012)*****

R(e)EVOLUTION: The Fireman’S Roundtable scene (2012)****

White Frog (2012)***

Grey’s Anatomy: Support System (2012)**

Grey’s Anatomy: “Remember the Time” (2012)***

Grey’s Anatomy: Second Opinion (2012)**

Young Turks (2013) (Featuring vintage photos and video from 1981)*****

Halifax: Ghostbusters (2018) (Featuring vintage photos and video from 1981)**** (Fire Station №23 footage is from the movie)

Lost Landscapes of Los Angeles (2016) (Featuring vintage stock footage recorded circa 1950s)**

Cleaning’ Up the Town: Remembering Ghostbusters (2019) (Featuring photos available online)***

Ghostbusters: Afterlife (2021)****

Ghostbusters: Afterlife - Firehouse (2021)*****

Ghostbusters: Afterlife - Summoning The Spirit (2021)****

And because a handful of instances have now cropped up, here’s a filmography of productions that have built replica sections of Fire Station №23:

Big Trouble in Little China (1986) (Replica of the hose tower in the apparatus room, for the shot of a hidden firepole leading into the San Fransisco sewers)

Ghostbusters II (1989) (The Firehouse darkroom, and adjoining laboratory, with inspiration for the design drawn from the original fire station)

Coca-Cola Classic: Ghostbusters II Sweepstakes (1989) (Replica apparatus room loosely based on the original fire station)

Flatliners (1990) (A replica portion of the dormitory, possibly because the production were unable to use Fire Station №23 for additional filming/reshoots, with inspiration for the design drawn from the original fire station)

Mother/The Haunted Heart (1994) (Replica of the Chief’s bathroom for an electrocution effects shot, featuring pyrotechnic sparks, loosely based on the original fire station)

Profiler (1996 - 1998) (Replica of the Chief’s penthouse, for repeated filming across multiple series. The set was a very loose replica of the original fire station, with the exception of the elevator car… Which was pretty spot-on)

Grey’s Anatomy (2010 - 2012) (Replica of the Chief’s penthouse, for repeated filming across multiple series. Heavy inspiration from the original fire station, but loosely laid out)

Ghostbusters: Answer The Call (2016) (Replica apparatus room closely based on the original fire station)

Intuit QuickBooks (2019) (Replica apparatus room, featuring Janine’s desk, Peter’s office, and the staircase. A very closely achieved effort)

Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire (2024) (Closely achieved replica apparatus room, replica basement, a lose replica of the dormitory space, with inspiration drawn to depict the previously-unseen top floor of the Firehouse)

If anyone knows of any appearances that aren’t on this list, I’m all ears.

I think that everything is there in the list.

Where was it in Predator 2?

The rear end of Fire Station №23 is visible in the background during the opening street battle between the L.A.P.D. and the drug gang, it’s the prominent green building in the background as Danny Glover’s Lieutenant Harrigan drives into the shootout.

Well I’ll be.

Guess it’s time for a re-watch. Thanks mate.

Yeah, right around 3:33 and 3:39. As Kingpin says, when Hardigan is driving into the scene. You’ll see a red and white AllRight Parking sign and behind it is the No. 23’s green rear end. They filmed this scene on Sunset Boulevard hence the cameo. I always wondered if it also cameoed in the initial Predator vision of the city at the start of the movie.

Wow, I must have seen Predator 2 dozens of times and I never caught that! Will have to go see!

I was trying to work that one out as well. :slight_smile: I’ve got the film on DVD so will see if the station crops up anywhere else.

Its on Disney+ if you have it.

For some reason I managed to add a “not” which changed the entire meaning of that sentence… I do have a copy of Predator 2, which serendipitously arrived this very morning. :slight_smile:

Edit: After spinning through Predator 2 I didn’t see any further appearances, though I’m yet to check the special features.

I do have one small update to the filmography, not a starring role by Fire Station №23, but a couple of cameo appearances in 2000’s Million Dollar Hotel*, a brief appearance as Mel Gibson’s Detective Skinner drives around the streets adjacent to the declining Million Dollar Hotel, and another when Tom Tom is skateboarding back to the hotel.

It’s also a little amusing as this film was directed by Wim Wenders, who also directed Hammett and Land of Plenty… Which makes me think I should take a look at some of Wenders’ other films set in Los Angeles, as he seems to like the Skid Row area around the station.