The Pants Pack.

I’m starting off on construction of my second pack. The first was a quick halloween job thrown together in a few weeks, and made from tri-wall card and bits that looked about right. It was the right shape, the measurements were correct, and the detail was okay. As I made it, though, I promised myself I would make a proper go of a sturdy prop that would do justice to all the years I’ve loved the films.

So two years later I have an alice frame, a very battered cardboard reference, this forum, and a sense of happy determination.

I’m only at the planning stage at the moment, but I’d like to throw myself on the experienced mercy of the board to point out any potential mistakes or minefields. I’ve a fairly reasonable idea of where I’m going thanks to my last effort, but obviously the materials are very different. To make life trickier I’ve not got much in the way of facilities other than a semi-spare room and a yard. Still, I like to think I’m resourceful enough to overcome minor obsacles like that.

So, the plan:

Motherboard

I plan to mount the pack on a wooden motherboard, most probably ply. I can cut this myself and it should be relatively easy for me to work. The aluminium motherboards look great and are probably lighter, but I’d struggle doing anything other than drilling it, and I’d like to have the option of screwing the other components into it for sturdiness. I can also use U clips to attach it to the alice frame so I can remove it if need be for storage or transport, but that might not be necessary. My main concern here, aside from weight (which I don’t think is a major issue), is that the grain will show after it’s painted.

Spacer

I’m expecting this to be tricky due to the curves, but I’m hoping Norm’s embroidery ring suggestion will get me through most of the problems here. As with much of the pack I’m planning on using ABS plastic, mounted on a wooden frame. Hopefully this will be sturdy without being too heavy, and fairly easy for me to cut. For the thinner bases for the vacuum pump and modular valve I’m thinking of building up a few layers of ABS.

Cyclotron

I’ve contacted JT94 with regards to buying one of his plastic Cyclotrons. Once I receive it I’ll consider what other work I need to do in this area, but I don’t imagine it being a lot. I’ve also ordered his filters for the red ports.

N-Filter

At the moment my easiest option seems to be a Pringles tube. I used one last time and it actually feels fairly solid once glued down. I might fill the top with a layer of ABS to get rid of the lip, and I have a strip of reflective red tape from my last project that’s used on aircraft and looks great for the red band. The little ports might be troublesome, so as it stands I’ll probably just paint them on. If I can find a better material I’ll reconsider them.

Bumper & Ion Knob

The bumper is one of my biggest concerns. Last time I made the sides then crossed between them with flat pieces. Card last time, ABS this time. I’m not entirely happy with that though, as the real deal looks more like one pressed piece of metal. Still, if need be I’ll build it like that then replace it later when I find a better solution. The resin bumpers look great but as far as I can tell they’re not made any more.

The Ion knob I’m hoping to make using the ‘flymo cord round a tube’ method. I like the thin thread look and it should weigh a lot less (and therefore put less pressure on the bumper) than washers. I’ll see what I can pick up easiest in the hardware store though in reality.

Powercell & Injectors

I’m expecting this to be a straightforward construction of wooden frame with ABS sides and detail. The injectors seem to lend themselves well to PVC pipes, which I’ll be trying to screw onto something as securely as possible because I found them to be easily damaged in my last project.

EDA Box & Booster

Again, the EDA box I plan on making from a wooden frame and ABS. Rather than try to make a cut out for the tube that will make the PPD I’ll just cut the PPD instead and secure it with lots of glue. The Booster I can hopefully make from PVC tube, although I’ve not tried to source tubing that big yet. A plastic bottle cap worked nicely for the bit at the top of the booster last time, but I’ll research that in more detail once I’ve got the big shapes made. The booster frame will be bought if at all possible, I doubt I can make anything nearly as good myself.

Ion Arm Assembly

Again, wood and ABS if possible. The angle might be tricky, but I think I should be okay. I’ve bought the aluminium tip with brass rod from JT94. Not absolutely neccessary, but I really think a metal part here makes a world of difference visually. The resistors I plan on buying from MMM.

Tubes, hoses, elbows and barbs

This is as good a time as any to mention them. I’m planning on buying the elbows and barbs, but the tubes are a dilemma as they’re not all in stock at MMM. I could probably get some CAT5 and paint it, or wait to see if any more comes in. The hoses I’m again buying from JT94. I expect they’re not too difficult to find myself, but since I’m buying other things and they’re not expensive I might as well get something I know will do the job. Last time I could only find grey hose and the black paint rubbed off very quickly as the hose moves a lot.

Gearbox & HGA

Again, the wooden frame and ABS construction. I’m hoping the vanes on the gearbox and powercell will be pretty easy with ABS, so that’s a nice bonus. The vacuum pump seems to be a fairly standard PVC tube, looking at Norm’s plans, so I’m not anticipating too many problems here. The crank knob I’ll try and get in resin from MMM again.

I’d like to make the HGA myself with some pipe, as suggested in Norm’s plans. The weld lines around the end make me think that glueing an ABS cap on there would look quite good. If not, I can always buy one.

Gun Mount

This I plan on making from ply, as I’d like it to be tough enough to withstand me drunkenly tugging the gun from it. Again there’s the problem of the grain, but I’m wondering if a thick coat of paint cover that as well as making the whole structure look a little more rounded. The vanes can be made from ABS again though, and I’ll certainly be buying the mounting plates because there’s no way I could make anything I’d be happy with myself. The spacer between the mount and the gearbox will probably be ABS again unless it proves easier to build it as part of the gun mount.

Cosmetic Plating

I’m going to attempt to shape a piece af ABS for the left had piece where the ribbon cable (which I’ll be buying along with its various retainers) goes, but if need be I can build up a few hollow layers then cap it with an ABS plate. The other pieces I’ll layer from ABS and file any details so it fits, as well as the bevel on the corner piece. The pieces round the bottom of the spacer should suit little ABS plates perfectly.

Proton Gun

The whole gun I’m concerned about, as I didn’t make such a good job last time. I’d like to build the block myself, but I’m thinking that buying a resin one might yield better (and more solid) results. I’m concerned about drilling it though as resin is apparently prone to shattering. The details I’ll be buying from MMM hopefully, which reminds me that I’d like to have real Clippard valves if I can find them. I’ll have to research that further, but even though I’m not bad at detailed painting I don’t think I could make a resin valve look as good as a metal one.

Come to think of it, I suspect I’ll be buying most of the gun. The last attempt was less than satisfactory, so I’m kind of treading new ground with it as I didn’t learn a lot last time. I’m sure the forums here will come in handy though.

Electronics

I’ve made moves to procure one of JT94’s sets for the lights. This is the one area where I could go it alone as an electronics engineer, but I haven’t the facilities or, to be honest, the inclination to scratch build a circuit when there’s a great one out there for less than the cost of equipment and prototypes had I done it myself. Audio is a different matter entirely. I hadn’t even considered it until I reminded myself just how fantastic a proton pack sounds when it powers up. It’s one of those sounds that sticks in the memory, like a TIE fighter or the pulse rifle from Aliens. I’ll be looking onto it further, but for now I’ve got plenty to chew on.

So that’s the wall of text that constitutes my initial plan. It seems reasonable to me, but you guys are the veterans. Maybe nobody will read it, but hopefully at the very least people can look at pictures of the finished pack sometime before halloween 2009 and look back at how it started. I’ll be updating as I go. Wish me luck.

Good luck with the new pack. My group just recently rebuilt four packs and we’re still learning lessons from construction.

I wanted to help you with your plywood concerns. Aside from the Motherboard I wouldn’t use it anywhere else because of the grain issue. I would suggest using MDF, a little more expensive but will save you a lot of time in the long run and easy to find at Home Depot. MDF cuts like butter and can be sanded to a uniform finish. Once you’ve got it sanded well, slap on a layer of Bondo Spot Glaze Putty (it’s red and comes in a tube, auto supply store or Wal-Mart for a small tube) it 's easy to work with and allows you to achieve that smooth metal look.

For the gun mount we glued together multiple cuts of MDF (think club sandwich), used thin strips of balsa wood purchased from an art supply store for the fins (another life saver because cutting perfect strips that thin is a pain), and sanded, bondo’d and sanded again. The end result is extremely sturdy. The balsa wood can also be used for the power cell and gear box.

One thing that we did on our original packs was use a spray paint that had a “hammered” finished. It gave it a bit of a cast iron look and helped to hide other imperfections. Didn’t do it for pack #2 but it may be something you’d want to test out.

Again good luck!

i read thru all your plans, and i have to say that you’ve already got off to a good start. thinking ahead is key in building these things! now for the part by part:

on your mobo, i agree with milkman, only use the ply here, and you would be much better off doing it with mdf. mdf is lighter and like milkman said, you can get a smooth finish out of it.

as for the bumper there is a great tutorial here: How to Make a Bumper - Tutorials & Guides - GBFans.com

this is killer, i plan on using it when i get around to my second pack.

for the ion knob, i used a wooden dowel wrapped with solder, but i suggest finding some plastic discs at the hobby shop and glueing them together.

for the booster tube on my pack i used a piece of a poster tube, you know, those things you can get at target to hold you school project in?

and , for the tubing and hoses, i used cat5 cables like you are thinking for the different colors, it worked great, then just split loom for the rest.

good luck , and follow along with other people here, there are usually 4 or so pack build threads going on, so you can get details from there…remember to post pics, we all love that!!

Thanks for the advice guys, I appreciate the input. I noticed that a lot of people have used MDF over ply, but I always thought it was quite heavy. I’ll go investigate this the next time I’m shopping.

I read through KCGhostbuster’s tutorial on bumpers several times while doing my research, but I’ve not got the facilities or tools to do that much woodwork. I’ve a couple of options though if that’s looking like the best way - buy a router and a workbench and have a few goes (I’m bound to need a few tries, woodwork isn’t my forte), or see if my dad can help me out as he’s quite handy like that and probably has the tools.

In regards to the Ion Knob, I was assuming the original had a thread but judging by how many people use washers or rings I’m wondering if I’m wrong. Checking the reference pictures it does actually look more like a stack of washers so I’ll adjust for that.

Finally, I’ll be sure to post pictures as I progress. I’ve found those of others very useful and I like showing my progress. Not much to see at the moment though.

I just made two bumpers myself from th tutorial, and it’s not too bad.. just make sure you measure, measure again, measure a third time, and THEN cut.

4 badly cut base bumpers attest to that.

Also, see if KC can make you one… it might cost less then making one yourself.

Also, see if you can get a rotozip with a router attachment rather then just a router.. the roto zip can come in handy for all sorts of cutting jobs.

For the bumper, I needed my circular saw, rotozip router, jigsaw, and sander. I also found a perfect attachment at lowe’s to cut the bumper groove out.

Check my wip thread.. I didn’t use washers for my ion knob.. I used wound weed whacker line instead painted… it’s much lighter, and every half pound off helps!

I was possibly your WIP thread I saw the weed whacker Ion Knob. I did see one recently anyway and thought it looked pretty good. It’s not a large part, I could make on of each and see which I prefer.

For the bumper, I can but try. The only thing I have to lose is a piece of wood (possibly fingers, but I’ll take that risk). I’m very much an amateur when it comes to woodwork, but you only learn by practice. Buying one is a possiblility, but I’m in the UK so postage is going to sting me for anything large from overseas.

I bought a few more bits today, just sandpaper and stuff, but I noticed that PVC pipes over here are measured in millimeters, which might make it tricky to find 1 or 2 inch pipes. Hopefully a visit to a large hardware store will prove me wrong.

One thing I found out today: black abs pvc pie (when using larger diameters) is MUCH lighter then white pvc pipe! Check em in the store, and get the black ones if there’s a significant weight difference.

(Most times, the black costs a bit more, but it’s well worth it when you discover it weighs 1/3rd as much!)

Thanks for the tip, I’ll keep an eye out for that. If I ever find time to go shopping.

Shopping is 25% of building proton packs.. (or more it seems sometimes! LOL!)

I made my gun mount with mdf, worked great. most everything on my pack is hand made, so i got pretty creative with a lot of my parts. i have close up pics and descriptions of my pack and parts on my profile. good luck.

Right, I’ve souced a load of stuff but I think I need to start putting some of it together for perspective. I’m fortunate enough to have a dad with a flexible manufacturing unit at his disposal, so about a month ago I asked him to press me a bumper. He didn’t, but he did check out the plans I showed him here and come back with a whole load of other stuff. I have to admit, he done good.

Se here’s the pack so far:

I’ve deviated from the plan already after pops showed me what he’d done with the spacer - foam covered with 1/4" ply on top and aluminium plates around the underside. It’s light and sturdy enough for me to stand on it, but the surface texture leaves a lot to be desired, despite coating it in sealant. No matter, once the shape is there I’ll be going over the lot with filler to smooth it out.

So with this in mind I’ve cut out the basic shape for the gearbox, and made mockups of the ion arm and cell in foam. I don’t think I’ll stick with the foam for the cell though, it just doesn’t feel sturdy enough. It was great for the cosmetic plating though, which I can still trim down when the other parts start encroaching on it. I’ve got some more ply for the gun box, which will all be screwed together for strength. Or at least that’s the plan.

My most immediate concern at the moment is how I’ll be able to route the wiring from the lighting board, but hopefully that will come to me once I’ve made a few more of the box parts up. A heated wire poked through the foam might do the trick.

The cyclotron (as well as filters, ion arm assembly, electronics and tubing), by the way, was provided by JT94.

Use denser insulation foam instead of just regular styrofoam.. it’s denser, sturdier, can be filled and sanded, and works great. look at my pack thread for the results I got and tips.

Since the various boxes really are not load bearing, you could make them all out of foam except the gun mount box.

Had I considered it, I could have made our main boxes also out of foam, and probably gotten a more accurate pack that was even lighter then what we ended up with.

ha! i finally found this thread again! i posted so late one night i couldn’t remember who started this and had been wondering what had become of it. looks like you got a good start there. about the bumper - i actually just redid mine with foamboard. it turned out pretty good, and took about an hour and a half, mostly drying time for the glue. just a thought.

ps - its not as flimsy as you might think either.

Part of the reason I’m using that foam is that it was handy, but realistically I don’t think I’ll be able to use it for much more apart from maybe the EDA. I’m still thinking ABS for the power cell and ion arm, and if I do I’ll probably use that for the gun body too. I’m expecting to experiment quite a bit with those bits. As for the bumper, I’ll give the foamboard a go. It’s not like I’ve anything to lose at the moment and not having to use power tools is a bonus. Just how sturdy is it? Would it stand up to someone walking into it?

Probably not, I’d think. Your bumper takes a LOT of hits at parties n such. Someone pulled my ion arm rod hard enough to smash the wood it was seated in.. and the wood was 3/4" thick, and the rod was seated in a drilled hole an inch or so deep! It also tore his jacket as well. There had to be a LOT of force put on it to snap the wood.

Ypu really want your bumper strong to protect the rest of your pack, IMHO.

That’s why we follow the tutorial here, and made ours out of wood.

That’s sort of what I was thinking. This is technically my second pack, so I’ve experienced the kind of treatment one gets while out and about, but Staticbuster has made the suggestion so a trial run couldn’t hurt if I can get hold of the right quantity at the right price. You’re correct though - along with the gun mount and ion arm I expect the bumper to be quite a punished part.

After a prolonged absence (caused by the child mainly) I’ve resumed work on my pack. I’ve been working on and off on getting the ply bits built. Seems I’m not so great at woodwork, but I’m not too bothered because at the moment everything’s really just a skeleton that’ll be covered in filler then sanded smooth. It’s looking like the dimensions are likely to be out by a few mm here and there too, but since I’m only really after impressing friends, family, and interested strangers, I don’t have a problem with that.

So here it was last month:

Nothing much is glued on, just positioned for effect. The foam’s more sturdy than it looks, and I’m happy I can get a decent finish on it when it comes to putting the filler on. I’ve taken the wiring through the spacer and the LEDs for the cyclotron are mounted on foam posts. The gearbox has been trimed to size and had the vanes, made from ply, stuck on. The N-Filter is the only bit of pipe I could get my hands on that was the right diameter, and was about an inch too short, so I topped it with more foam which would add the height needed and put the end on. It’s still rough but again I think the filler will sort it out. The bumper, I have to admit, wasn’t built by me. My dad had been pondering the problem and came up with the lid of some cable trunking, with ply for the bit where the knob goes, and the insulation from power cable for the edging. I had no idea he was even working on it, so when he turned up at my house with it at Christmas I was rather impressed. He deliberately made it too high so I could trim it down. I just need to top the knob off with a domed bolthead now. In the top left of the picture you can see the booster which I couldn’t place due to the electronics.

So, recently I’ve managed to finish the wooden parts:

Again, everything’s just placed and not fixed. It all needs shoring up before coating, and I’ll probably add nails or screws to the gun mount at the very least. The circuit board is slightly too high for the cell box, so I’ll pobably sit it on a layer of foam to give it a bit more height. It’ll put the measurements out a little, but they’re probably wrong somewhere anyway. Somewhere along the line I added the 15th plate, just because I had the spare pieces of aluminium and could.

So next I need to build the ion arm, put some foam between the gearbox and the gun box, and cut holes out of the cell for the window and the electronics. I’m unsure what to build the ion arm out of. The foam’s easier for me to get accurate (I actually have a foam one made), but the wood’s sturdier. I might use some of the inch square dowel I used as support for the box joints as a spine for the foam one and screw the end of it onto the motherboard.