Your thoughts about the Ghostbusters 2016 film?

Firstly, I greatly enjoyed your review (eventhough I had a different opinion of some of your points :P) and I agree that a possible change of cast (Although as a Holtzy fan I hope McKinnon is kept) along with a slightly different tone may be the saving grace for a sequal. I mean, even if the same cast was kept, I think a more concise script and different direction (Director direction that is) may be enough to pull it back.

Inccidently, I wasn’t a massive fan of the Kevin character either and whilst I respect Hemsworth for improvising his way through the character, it did reach the point for me of ‘hot guy trying desperatly to be funny because he wants to show he has range’. Personally I think less would have been more with Kevin as he had some genuinely funny moments but there were too many ‘jokes’ in too quick succession. My husband however, thought that Hemsworth was the funniest thing in the movie and very much enjoyed Kevin - so it just goes to show how subjective humor is :stuck_out_tongue:

My daughter and wife loved the new movie. Especially my daughter.

When I saw GB2 I was five and I left the theater an absolute mess of emotions. Some of the parts were so funny, but some of the parts creeped me out. I bounced around the lobby and in the backseat on the way home, recounting all the jokes I could remember and asking what my parents thought of each specific scene. But overall, I was just super excited to see another GB movie and I’ve loved them ever since.

I took my daughter (8) to see the new one on opening night. We dressed up and she was excited to see it. She screamed in the first scene and laughed all over the place. Walking out, she was bouncing all over the lobby and on the way home she was recounting all the jokes and scenes, scared but only slightly, and just excited about seeing another GB movie.

She loves the GB community and the charity and good nature among its members, but she was super stoked to see girl ghostbusters and now wants pictures of Holtz on her wall.

It’s really nice to see people (even if it is just my kid) excited like this about something that means so much to me as well.

I like the movie for all sorts of reasons, but I love it for letting my daughter experience the same feelings I did so long ago.

I went to see the movie twice with 2 different sets of friends (different social groups) and both enjoyed it. The audience also seemed to enjoy it as there was quite a bit of laughing through the theater.

Yes there are a few jokes in the movie that I thought were not necessary but overall I enjoyed it.

Another good thing about the movie for me is that it brought me back into the fandom. My friends and I started packs years ago but they stalled. The announcement of the movie was welcome news. The early photos were meh. The early trailers are not impressive.

After seeing the movie I got back onto the forums. Thank goodness I missed all the “debates” leading up to the movie opening.

Can I bring up something about Bill Murray’s cameo? If you look at his recent talk show appearances, he’s often wearing hats like the one in the movie. I get the impression that part of the cameo was most likely his own choice. :wink:

The guy wants me banned. Now I live in fear and paranoia. :mrgreen:

I agree. Everything about the movie was misplaced and unnecessary. It was Feig’s own love letter to the original film but a misguided one. The movie was a waste of money as well.

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Exactly and try to get people banned while on holiday because they didn’t see it in the cinema like you did. Feel sorry for Raystantz Italy. He had to see it dubbed which makes the whole film even worse :wink:

It was amusing in a desperate kind of way.

You know, the movie is kind of fascinating in it’s levels of failure. I’ve been thinking about it a lot, and I have a pretty good breakdown on what happened between multiple sources of news and my own analysis. I’ve become somewhat of an expert on the subject. My breakdown contains spoilers, so be warned.

So here’s what happened: With GB3 in production hell, and Sony desperate for a bankable franchise, then executive Amy Pascal wanted a different director than Ivan Reitman, because Reitman was never happy with the scripts, casting, or studio meddling for GB3. When Harold Ramis passed away (wipe away tear) Reitman gave in and let the studio go ahead with a different director. This made Amy Pascal happy, since she didn’t like Reitman, and wanted a female-centric GB. In itself, this concept is fine, and a passing of the torch movie to four female ghostbusters would have been met with far more open arms from the mostly egalitarian fan base.

Mistake #1: The trouble came with her choice of director. Paul Feig not only was tapped to direct, but was given the worst thing you can give a director at Feig’s level “TOTAL CREATIVE CONTROL”. From the Sony email hack, we saw that the entire plot was roughly intact from pitch to shooting, though thankfully he left out the “Ghost-Aliens.”

Now had any studio exec with an ounce of sense read that email (i.e., not Pascal) they would have sent a reply roughly to the tune of “Are you freaking high?!” Paul Feig’s “vision” clashed with the attitudes of his own actresses, who wanted to make a good movie on par with the original in quality, or at least with the Real Ghostbusters cartoon, which McCarthy was supposedly a fan of. On-set arguments were frequent, with Paul Feig pulling his “TOTAL CREATIVE CONTROL” card early and often.

Mistake #2 To start with, rebooting the franchise was a terrible idea. Rebooting most franchises often results in an under-performing movie that utterly fails to energize the one market counted on to bring in money: The fans. Reboots usually have much better special effects, but since they often simply copy the story of the original, rarely adding anything new or engaging to expand on the source material, they’re almost always doomed from the get-go. There have been rare exceptions, but Rebooting has very rarely been proven to be a financially rewarding strategy.

Mistake #3 When a handful of sexist and racist comments appeared on the comments section of the Youtube release of the movie trailer, the marketing execs at Sony had a field day. It’s obvious now that they had always intended to make this movie appear to be a strong feminist icon movie, and were ready to fire with both barrels before the trailer even dropped. Rumor has it many critical comments were deleted while the blatantly misogynistic and racist ones were left intact to foster the illusion that any criticism was from “man-boys” and “misogynists.” This backfired wildly when life-long ghostbusters fans, eager for a worthy continuation, were slapped with these labels for having legitimate concerns about the movie’s quality. The marketing movement, however, didn’t slow down, and actually increased the pace and frequency of the “pro-feminist” angle, going so far as having the main cast insult critical fans on live television. This alienation of the fan base proved to be the single biggest death knell to the opening Box Office weekend, as a significant number of fans stayed home, or waited to watch pirated copies, rather than supporting a franchise that they love. Since franchise movies are dead in the water without the pre-existing fan base, the entire marketing of the film shot itself in the foot, thinking it would help them run faster.

Mistake #4 Re-shooting on the movie began almost immediately after the wrap party. Most of the main cast refused to come back for it. This is why some scenes appear horribly disjointed, and characters seem to be speaking to each other from totally different rooms, with no visible interactions. The cameos of the original cast were handled in a very similar way. It’s obvious that for half the scenes with Bill Murray, he’s sitting in a chair, alone, reciting his lines without passion. Among the film’s many disjointed scenes, this one is particularly jarring as it features the first of two deaths in the movie, before a final battle with a giant cartoon ghost. The move has no consistent tone. This rushed attempt to make Paul Feig’s “vision” an even remotely watchable movie may have done at least as much damage to it as giving Paul Feig TOTAL CREATIVE CONTROL in the first place. In the rush to meet the summer blockbuster season, much of the movie was cut to ribbons, and with limited actress availability for re-shoots, the end result is a complete and utter mess desperate for cohesion.

Mistake #5 Paul Feig obviously hates Ghostbusters. I don’t have any hard evidence on this, but from his attitude, reactions, and the little details I noticed in his movie, it seemed like Paul Feig never wanted to make an actual Ghostbusters movie, and from day one, he had a real resentment of the Ghostbusters fan base. While publicly he’s very nice, it’s obvious from his movie that he abhors the fans, as the movie is almost a perfect mathematical formula for fan alienation: Making it a reboot instead of a sequel, or a ‘passing-of-the-torch’ movie, despite the surviving original cast being on board for cameos, making the villain a bullied nerd with a knack for technology and a fascination with ghosts (basically an evil Egon Spengler, right after Harold Ramis died,) killing Bill Murray’s character after shoehorning in a completely pointless cameo, creating a female Slimer for absolutely no visible story purpose except as a commentary on what a cheap gimmick it is, copying every story beat from the first movie without reverence to source material, and making the end-form of the villain a giant cartoon version of the Ghostbusters trademark symbol, that the ladies then shoot in the crotch. These are just the highlights of a movie that almost brings the plot to a screeching halt at times in order to insult it’s own fan base.

Mistake #6 The movie is not pro-feminist. While the ladies do have about 3-4 minutes of good action scenes and creative ghost-busting, the rest of the movie portrays them as clumsy, egotistical, incompetent, and far less intelligent than they should be. More than that, the male mayor played by Andy Garcia, tells the women that he wants them to continue what they are doing, and he loves it, but that he must badmouth them in the press and brand them as frauds and even potential terrorists. A male authority figure tells the female protagonists that he has total control over their fate, and the women don’t even break free from it in the end. Instead, they receive a reward from the mayor’s office for their cooperation. The female ghostbusters are subjugated to a male authority and it is NEVER shown that they even try to resist this. In general, they just sort of seem to accept most of what happens, rarely trying to intervene in the events of their own lives. When kicked out of the “college,” the women just leave. When Bill Murray demands evidence of the paranormal, they give it to him (fatally,) when the Mayor tells them to take their lumps but keep on working, they don’t even object.

Of course, considering the movie also contains stereotypes that demean men, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Ghostusters fans, etc… it’s hardly surprising that it’s also ironically misogynist in and of itself.

Ultimately, this movie is nothing but a hard lesson for Sony, but it’s questionable as to whether or not they will learn the right lessons. Since Tom Rothman, the famous monster behind the cancellation of Firefly, the main obstacle to a Deadpool movie, the man who had security throw Brian Singer off the lot during discussion of X-Men3, and who personally greenlit the disastrous Fant4stic movie, is now the exec in charge of most of Sony’s future movies, he probably assumes the failure of the movie is more related to “weak” female-centric stories, lack of popularity of the Ghostbusters brand, or that people don’t like science fiction movies. Sony has a history of being blind to everything but box office numbers, so I wouldn’t expect a Tom Rothman-headed Sony studios to turn out anything decent in the future at all, much less try once again to make Ghostbusters float with a good sequel.

So there’s the breakdown. As a life-long Ghostbusters fan, I did my best to put aside my irritation at this film and try to dive in logically and with a dispassionate eye. While the movie, in my opinion, isn’t as bad as it could have been, it’s still not very good and nowhere near a worthy sequel, much less a startoff movie for a cinematic universe, which was the original intention. The greatest pity is that most of us would absolutely LOVE a Ghostbusters cinematic universe, as there are already fan films and Ghostbusters fan chapters all over the country with the idea that Ghostbusters is ALREADY a franchise. The concept writes itself, and fans would have wholeheartedly embrace this, as every single city and town in America has it’s own unique lore and brand of folk tales to draw on.

If done right, a cinematic universe could even have brought in chapters of Ghostbusters (the fan made ones) to do quick cameos on the big screen, not just delighting fans, but reaching out and showing that he movie was more than a cheap cash grab.

Paul Feig’s Ghostbusters is nothing more than the low-hanging fruit of comedy and film making. Believing that doesn’t make us misogynists or man-baby’s. It makes us fans with a passion.

Sony doesn’t care, never did, and it’s cost them millions upon millions of dollars.

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More like he abhors trolls. But for some reason, a lot of fans decided to feel insulted on behalf of said trolls. And he abhors fans who think they’re doing “God’s work” (an actual quote) by trolling people on Twitter.

As they do in GB84. What else can you do when you’re fired?

In my opinion the first mistake was Amy Pascal deciding she needed female Ghostbusters just because she wanted to see an increase of pay for female actresses. Nothing wrong with that at all and should be encouraged however, taking an existing franchise and then shoehorning that in to suit your personal needs is selfish. The reason she went with Paul Feig is because he was an obvious choice as he only really directs women. The creation of the movie was the first mistake.

Bingo.

A movie flop and a misandrist marketing campaign for it. We deserved better in both ways, as fans.

Here’s hoping Sony lets someone else reboot GB, like they appear to be letting Marvel reboot Spiderman. 8)

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I’m far too polite to say what this fanbase deserves, lol.

]It’s not the fault of the fanbase that Paul Feig, Amy Pascal, and their friends made a crappy reboot.

Kinda disappointing to hear you say such a thing, that’s in line with Paul Feig’s “Geek culture is home to some of the biggest a——s I’ve ever met in my life”.

When people don’t like something, petulantly insulting them didn’t do GB16 or the people behind it any good. As it shouldn’t. And isn’t a good reflection on you. Again, there’s no need to hate on this fanbase over a crappy reboot.

“We are obviously separated by denominational differences.”–Charlie Brown

It’s yet to be proven wrong though, for all the righteous indignation.

Ghostbusters: Answer the Call wasn’t the film we wanted, but the film we deserved. :stuck_out_tongue:

I know I’m new here, but wow. Isn’t this website, that we still like a franchise this long, and all the posts about the clubs and gear and nostalgia, prove the “■■■■■■■” Feig comment wrong?

In fact, I never heard this fanbase EVER talked about in a disparaging way. Until this movie came out, and people defended it by attacking said fanbase. On this board of all places, and the director and cast, and the media going full tilt with the “man baby” and similar slurs. I’m not surprised that some regular posters here would trash the fanbase for not liking this movie. Then you, a mod, comes along and make similar statements?

Kingpin, if you really think ghostbusters fans deserve a crappy reboot, why are you here?

GB fans didn’t deserve this movie any more than Batman fans deserved “Batman and Robin”, or Star Trek fans “Nemesis”, or Spiderman fans… hope you get the idea.

I know what it’s like to be attacked, only I was attacked for not jumping on the hate bandwagon over a movie trailer (not by anyone here). And now whenever I want to discuss a movie I enjoyed, I have to deal with various versions of “Thank God it bombed! You lose!” That’s not a community. You want me to side with the fanbase? Feel sympathy for them? Well they have made that incredibly difficult.

The fanbase was never spoken up disparagingly before because it never lost its freakin mind over a movie before.

Meanwhile, actual crappy movies continue to make millions, thanks to the same fanboys who claim to want quality and originality.

Not really.

I want to preface anything I say beyond this point that there are some truly incredible people in this community, those who are charitable, generous beyond measure with their time and knowledge, real shining examples which we (myself included) try to aspire to.

But it would be dishonest to say we don’t have some pretty big jerks, if not full-on ■■■■■■■■ in this community, folks who spoil (intentionally, or by the simple fact of their lack of consideration for others) things for the rest of the community:

A recaster who makes a huge name for themselves as the go-to guy for Proton Pack replicas, which were made from recasting the work of more reputable and reliable sellers, and are terribly quality knock-offs.

A guy with some inside knowledge on some of the screen-used props, who pitched a fit when the community wouldn’t adopt the particular name he had for one of the props, and who sat on rare video of one of the screen-used PKE Meter props.

A further guy who took a lot of orders for a set of electronics for a PKE Meter, and then went on to take orders for an all-in-one Proton Pack electronics kit, before he’d completed all of PKE orders…

And then there are the various personalities and individuals who over the years have refused to play nice, or lashed out when they didn’t get to have carte blanche on the forum. We try to keep them in check where we can, and if not, take steps where appropriate to reduce their negative impact on the rest of the community here.

Every community has them (geeky or not).

I didn’t think it was a “crappy reboot”, but I know we’ll disagree on that.

I’m here because I’m a fan of Ghostbusters, and the wider franchise, which includes the reboot. Contrary to a lot of the talk we’ve heard from of late, it doesn’t have to be a case of only being able to be a fan of one film, but not the other; Ghostbusters fans can be fans of both if they want to.

Hey, we can disagree with the movie and how it was marketed. I’ve actually come to like debating with you, even though we have “denominational differences”. (LOL, who likes Santa, and who likes the Great Pumpkin?) But again, isn’t stuff like this website proof the fanbase is pretty cool overall?

Please don’t fall for Sony’s and others propaganda (paraphrasing): “Don’t like this movie? Troll! Hater! Misogynist! A–hole!”

By the same token, please don’t tell me it was propaganda when I was attacked by said a**holes for the crime of thinking for myself about a movie, over and over again. I don’t need Sony to tell me they exist. I know it first hand, lol.

But understand, I’m not trying to throw the baby out with the bath water here. Of course there’s still plenty to admire about the fanbase.

Oh, can I be Charlie Brown?! :smiley:

LOL, OK and I’m Linus. “Fall for” might be poorly worded on my part. It’s just, if I understand you right, you agree with Feig and Sony’s position that the fanbase doesn’t like the movie because of all the insults above. I strongly disagree with you on that.

Agreed plenty to admire about GB fans, just being one for example is a plus in my book, everyone here included.

I and others that like the Ghostbusters franchise, well we don’t hear stuff like this, it would be sad if the stuff you mentioned really represents the fanbase. It doesn’t represent ppl I have met, even though we’re not saints either lol.

Agree to disagree on movie. I agree ppl can like both. I say people can also like one moive and dislike another. I really doubt if somebody disliked GB89, it meant they were no longer a true GB fan. Why shouldn’t that apply to almost any movie or cartoon in the franchise? (except the original of course, lol)