Ecto-1H - 1963 Pontiac Bonneville Superior Consort

Heh … yeah I don’t see how it would be incredibly hard, I’m just worried about there being a visible seam where I’ve cut and pasted the trim. I mean, those things are chrome and I wouldn’t know where to begin on how to bond the two pieces together and blend the seam. I suppose I could always have the body shop do that for me, though. Since a friend’s dad is going to be doing the work I don’t see how adding that onto the workload would increase the price too much.

I’ll see about doing a couple of renderings of both to see which I like better.

edit: don’t mind me, I have no idea what the trim looks like up close.

I think having a mildly-visible seam on the trim would be preferable to pushing your no-ghosts to the rear doors, in the long run.

Oh no, I get where you’re coming from. I think having the logos on the front doors will look better, too. It’s just that I hadn’t thought about cutting the trim back until you suggested it. It’s a valid solution and I thank you for your input.

I did those renders I said I was going to do and I’m just … not really sure which I really like better. I’m leaning more toward the logo on the front door as preference, but that’s probably just because it’s what I’m use to seeing. I need to spend a little time looking at the one on the back door to see if I actually dislike it or if it’s just familiarity leading me on.

Unmodified trim:

![image](http://www.gbfans.com/images/pb/cambot/ghostbusters_ECTO 1H_Render-1.jpg)

Modified trim:

![image](http://www.gbfans.com/images/pb/cambot/ghostbusters_ECTO 1H_Render-2.jpg)

Update: On second thought the logo on the back door just makes the entire aesthetic of the car unbalanced. The front doors are pretty close to the center of the car, and having the logo there just draws the eyes easily back and forth along the whole thing. With the logos on the back doors, your eyes just get stuck there.

Curse you, Kevin. Curse you! Now I’m going to have to figure out how to do this without messing it up …

As pretty excited I was to see this project progress, somehing about these photoshops kind of deflate that excitement. Don’t take offense, I have no doubt this will be quality work, it’s just not as asthetically pleasing as I thought it would be.

Well … not sure what to say to that other than my photoshop skills are not the most refined. Also I realize that not everyone is going to like this car as an Ecto. I can’t please everyone. :whatever:

I’m still in the Pro: Ecto The Shit Out of This camp. The shoop isn’t dandy, but I have faith in the base car.

What will make or break this Ecto is how you style the actual conversion itself. I feel I should reiterate the speech I make at least once a year about Ecto-building:

Decide what you want your car to be:

Do you want it to be your personal art car, upon which you pour your personal designs with the goal of staying true to your first envisioning, and risk the backlash of a community of highly-opinionated individuals?

Do you want a car that the community almost universally loves, sacrificing your own ideas for the approval of a -perhaps- slightly more generic design?

A lot of the conflict among the Ecto builders comes from design decisions being poorly-received by the community at large. Is impressing the community one of your goals? You can make their finicky tastes work for you by presenting options for your build and analyzing the feedback. In the long run this will build a relationship between you and people you hardly knew to begin with. If you’re strong enough to build your car a certain way and deal with potentially horrendous feedback (jesus christ just dissect the IEGB saga), then go for it.

Example: Every week during my build I polled the members of this site I respected most for their opinions on future mods. I would present photoshops of my car with different configurations, and ask my friends to tell me what they liked and why. I did this with the caution striping, with the red stripes, with the wheels, with the lightbar colors, with satellite dish models, with painted and unpainted pushbars, with pretty much everything. I wanted every piece of feedback possible - but only from people whose taste I respected.

But I wasn’t all about kissing the feet of the other dudes on these boards just so I could get their thumbs up. I knew what I wanted my car to look like and I remained steadfast on certain decisions - I would not put more caution tape above the doors - I would not make the red fin stripe enormous and work against the lines of the car - I would not remove the door trim. And even some of the things I added didn’t go over well. The hatch striping was initially decried by pretty much everyone I asked. But I knew it would look good on the Magnum and went for it, and in the end it payed off.

Having your build in this smaller section is hugely beneficial because it keeps the know-nothings who throw ideas they spent all of 1/10th of a second producing at you. When I had the subaru, I received awful suggestions, not the worst of which was to paint the entire lower trim bright red.

The thing to remember is that you are building a very custom design. You don’t have a 59 so you’re going to build it however you feel looks best on your base car. But I strongly recommend making that a flexible and open process. Do a little bit of photoshop before you apply your vinyl and ask the other builders if the font is too big. Take pictures of your greebles sitting in different places on the rack and ask which configuration looks best. Poll the every-living shit out of us.

I believe that is the formula for maximizing your satisfaction with your project and the potential for people in the community going positively apeshit over a really cool car that you let them help design.

Well spoken, Kevin. That’s pretty much how I plan to go about my design process. I’ve got my own vision, but I ask for input from others and weigh it accordingly. I’ve actually got a few “focus groups” that I can go to.

I’ve got this group that is full of experienced builders with a keen eye for detail in building both movie accurate Ectos as well as customs with late-model base cars who know what they’re talking about.

I’ve got the other members of the Houston group who will be riding along side me in this car and who this car will represent. Their opinions are important in that the final result reflects upon them as well as me.

I’ve got the members of the Tool Talk forum that my dad owns to give the opinions of outsiders looking in. Granted their advice is always taken with a grain of salt BECAUSE they are outsiders, but it’s still informative to see what people who aren’t use to seeing stuff like this have to say.

Your suggestion to bounce ideas off of other people has already paid off because I hadn’t made any renderings before you brought up the door trim. Once I saw the overview of the logo placement, I decided that I personally didn’t like the logo on the back door - which was my original plan. If it hadn’t been brought up I wouldn’t have realized that until it was too late.

What I personally want out of this car (I may have said this already) is a blend of the Ectomobile and the Bonneville. That’s why modifying the trim was an issue at all. But I’m flexible when taking suggestions because I know that I’m going to overlook things from a design perspective. It’s like proofreading your own research paper - you know what it says so you don’t always register the typos.

But I’ve also got the conviction to stay true to what I want in the face of others wanting something else. I can think of two examples of this without having to try. My dad was completely convinced that we could just mount the roof rack directly to the sheet metal of the roof. “It’s a lot stronger than the tin foil the modern cars are made of!” he kept saying, but I told him about all the other Ecto builders who advocate reinforcing the roof so that you don’t fall victim to the Mosen Effect. Luckily there are plenty of structural rails in the roof already that I was able to design for.

Another example is many members of the Houston Ghostbusters who wanted our franchise logo on the doors instead of the classic No-Ghost. I remain firm in that it needs to have the classic logos at least on the passenger doors - I’m still on the fence about which to use on the rear door, though.

Kevin beat me to it. You don’t have to worry about pleasing me, it’s your car and you may do as you please. I made the comment solely because I thought the lines of the car would actually work better than the photoshops have led me to see.

It’s cool, no offense taken; like I said the photoshop isn’t the best in the world and was done rather hastily. I fully believe the lines of the car will work a lot better than they did in the renders.

What does offend me is all the people telling me to put a no-ghost logo on the hood. >_< I don’t get how anyone can think that will look good.

Thiiis. I heard this the most with the Ecto. The Jeep has an equivalent, and that’s the suggestion that I should put giant bite marks all over it.

■■■■ that.

LoL! Bite marks? I should suggest that to my friend Alan - he’s in the process of making a Jurassic Jeep. Trouble is … he’d probably do it.

wise words there from Kevin!

The cool thing about not having a 59 is that you can do “your own thing” and not be dissed for it, if its done well.

Like my car for example. Its not as suitable as even yours is to be an ecto, but I saw dentarthurdents take on it, and while not the perfect car for the job.. the way he made his design suit the car. Right now its probably the best “hearse to ecto” conversion there is, Same idea with the AZ ecto, it wasn’t the “ideal” car for the job. but they used what it had to make it stand out in a league of its own.

But to keep it more on topic, as far as the franchise logo. I’ve been debating that too, I’d say throw the franchise logo on the back door and leave the ones on the side doors the classic logo. Thats more than likely what I will do, my only qualm with it is people riding behind me and them not “getting it”.

So I just got an email today (April 11) regarding the control box for the lightbars:

Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this picture? That’s right, it’s taken the seller 11 days to even PAY for a shipping label. I paid $12 for priority shipping and was suppose to get the item last week. So I send this email:

Martin goes on to COMPLETELY refund my transaction and cancel the shipping label and sends these two emails in rapid succession:

I immediately responded with this:

And he wrote back:

My last email to him was this:

To which he has not yet responded (an hour later). This is an example of an incredibly DENSE human being. How he has a feedback score of 1333 with 100% positive is beyond me.