Yikes. Anyone hear what Leslie had to say about Jason Reitman?
Not good.
It seems Jones thinks some GB fans are losers.
Man. This could get interesting. Or ugly.
Edit: My original post made it seem like LJ said all GB fans were losers. I’ve edited it. She was referring to the fans who complained about the all female reboot(specifically the females portion). I was careless with how I worded my original post. Apologies.
I mean, I just read the story, and, well… Dare I say, who cares? Just because she finds what Reitman said offensive doesn’t mean it is.
“[…] trying to go back to the original technique and hand the movie back to the fans.”
She seems to be twisting his words into : “Erasing our 2016 movie”. Aykroyd said some wayyyyyy worst thing about the Reboot, so I don’t get why we should be upset about a (very tactful) PR statement that doesn’t mention Feig’s version.
The question is : If he had not said that at all and just made the movie, would she be as incensed?
She doesn’t think all Ghostbusters fans are losers, the ones who she views as losers are the fans who harassed her, her fellow castmembers and the film’s production staff:
It surprises me how easily this false framing device keeps coming up.
Regarding Leslie point of view. I can understand her.
She got death threats, racism and her personal profile was hacked and her private photos leaked online.
Besides, Jason did apologize and rephrase his remark about giving GB back to the fans. She was right the damage was already done and I can understand her being very sour about it, because ATC was supposed to be her big chance. Instead she got death threats and an insulting low wage.
That being said: it’s in the past. She explained why Jason remark hurt. She felt it was unforgivable and another stab in the back in order to gain some PR points. Intended or not. I agree it was a stupid thing to say. Jason explained and apologized and for me it’s easy to accept his apology, but I’m not in her shoes.
Just that 2019 tweet alone is incorrect. It wasn’t a redo of GB with men, it was a continuation of the original movies and had both men and women using packs…
But idk, it still feels like we’re missing a lot of context. Were they promised at least one sequel in their contract or at least by Feig? If they were, then I could totally get her reaction. Sure, the vitriol they got during the movie’s run was enough to keep the pot boiling but if they were promised more movies then 2-3 years later, no follow up from Sony or anyone, then Afterlife started getting teased - - it’s natural for Jones and the rest to feel bamboozled. And sure, the way Jason phrased it made it worse. He apologized but I’m not sure what more he can say. Maybe they should have a nice face-to-face convo. Idk. I was a little surprised she brought it up in this article with her wording basically unchanged, guess Jason’s apology didn’t do much for her and that’s her choice, can’t fault her for that. But it’s cat nip for all the clickbait sites that will then stir up the Internet once again.
She’s not just reflecting. Leslie has a new book she’s trying to promote. I really like Leslie but I think she’s trying to take advantage of the release of Firehouse and stirring things up again. I am surprised to hear that she got such low pay after Paul was adamant about pushing for women’s equity in such matters. But yeah, as always i’m looking forwad to round 99 of the clicbait articles. I’m surprised the #not my ghostbusters journo’s aren’t at it already.
I’m still convinced that the 90 percent of the hate this movie got was because it was a reboot and not the sequel the fans were waiting for years. Women Ghostbusters were never an issue.
Then there was a 10 percent of people who were extremely ugly.
In all fairness, she was responding to this quote from Jason, from a few days before her tweet:
Which then spiraled into his next announcement about giving it back to the fans. But I agree she would automatically dislike the fact ATC wouldn’t get a sequel.
That’s understandable from her point of view. She got the worst of all the vitriol and for nothing.
I’m never sure what people want to get out of these kind of remarks when they downplay misogyny with percentages one pulls out of the thin air.
Are you saying we should ignore the 10 percent? More importantly: how can you be so sure it’s ‘just’ 10 percent? And does it really matter if it’s ‘only’ 10 percent when you are the receiver of such relentless hate, threats and worse?
Yeah that’s my bad I wasn’t specific enough. Apologies.
One of the ugliest legacies of GB16 as a film is the (perhaps subconscious?) racism it perpetuates. I know Fieg and the studio liked talking up the all female aspect of the movie but all that goes down the drain for me when you see the cultural make up of the team. I seriously think they went “ok. The original had 3 white people and 1 black person who comes in 1/3rd of the way thru the movie, isn’t a scientist or a founding member. So let’s get 3 white women and a black lady who isn’t a founding member or scientist” Like…you couldn’t mix it up a bit? You didn’t think that having one black woman would focus all the attention on her? Did you see what happened with Force Awakens & the black storm trooper? Why couldn’t there be two black women? Or an Asian woman? Sandra Oh would’ve made an excellent Ghostbuster.
I just look at the cultural make up of that GB16 team and cringe. They knew exactly what they were doing. It doesn’t help the kind of character Patti is either. Bugging her eyes out, loud, “street smart”. Like ok have that character. But maybe give us something else? You jut know Ernie Hudson saw that for what it was. She was the token black Ghostbuster. The token non white Ghostbuster. That’s what Leslie Jones should be fighting against. Yes people were ugly to her and there’s zero excuse for that. But don’t tell me Sony and Fieg didn’t see that coming a mile away. How could they not? Yes you put a foot forward by making an all female GB team. But you took two steps back by making them the exact same cultural background as the original.
The weird part is when Feig and Dippold starting writing the script, they wrote the Patty Tolan character with Melissa McCarthy in mind. (Then at whatever point in the process, Feig saw Leslie Jones on SNL and changed his mind)
People keep using Patty’s street smart as if it’s a stereotype for a black person to know the (way of the) streets when in this movie it’s a subversion of the trope because she has in-depth knowledge of the history of NY. Not because she on the streets a lot, but because she finds it interesting and reads a lot.
I noticed the dialogue went from ‘street smart’ to ‘stereotypical loud black woman’. Those things are not the same.
Regardless, there also plenty articles that thought her portrayal was much more subdued than what they got from the trailer, so I don’t see why this is important to note?
No. It’s not the street smarts thing by itself that’s racist. It’s all of it together. Another black character who isn’t a founding member? Isn’t connected to the main characters? And 3 white women with 1 black person and it’s the black person who is the odd one out? Come on.
If she was their friend from the start? If she street smart and book smart? She’s working at the subway to work her way thru the college? Ok. Now we are on equal footing. But when a movie in 2016 has the same damn racial make up as the movie it’s remaking while also trying to represent a step forward for representation & women? It’s a huge fail. And I’m not just picking on it cause I hate the movie. I don’t like Afterlife either but it at least gives us some new cultural make up, ya know?
