I think the main problem is that the hyper left latched onto this film as a rallying call and pushed it in to a much larger spotlight than the film could back up. But sadly they didn’t even turn up to support it which lead to the film being perceived as a Paul Feig led, social agenda driven film and not a dumb popcorn film. Was it stupid to make references to the on going vitriol, Yes. they should’ve not even acknowledged it and robbed the most heinous of their power. Answer The Call isn’t a great film by any stretch. There are some fun elements to it and some neat gear but 3 years out it’s apparent that Feig really didn’t want to do this film and basically did a Paul Feig film about ghost busting to maintain his comfort zone. If you strip the Ghostbusters elements from it, it plays like a Feig film in many respects. It was at the core a film about reigniting a friendship and misfits banding together which is completely different from the originals exploiting science for profit. I truly eel that IDW took his flawed intro to the characters and really fleshed them out into their own characters. I personally don;t like Feig’s films but he has done some decent work. But he really wasn’t the right fit for a Ghostbusters reboot. I blame Amy Pascal misinterpreting his body of work to push an agenda. And sadly the cast and crew got swept up in it.
Sorry Back, but that image was just a bit to provokative for my liking.
[quote=Wiggyof9 post_id=4912830 time=1548254439 user_id=19010]And of course let us not forgetbthat they fight the Ghostbusters logo.
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Except that was never meant to be some sort of symbolism for the production’s experiences with the fans who weren’t keen on the reboot.
[quote=Wiggyof9 post_id=4912830 time=1548254439 user_id=19010]They tried to guilt people into seeing the movie because they knew it wasnt blockbuster material.
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Forgive me… But that conclusion is absolute bullshit. Nobody was being guilt-tripped into seeing it.
Also bullshit. I disagree with Paul and Leslie’s remarks of recent, and hell knows they’re only sending the flames shooting by pouting gasoline on what had become a pretty small tinder box fire, but they didn’t throw the first rock during that toxic summer.
They didn’t throw the first stone. While I love Leslie she did have a bad habit of provoking the trolls by making comments like “I’m a ghostbuster now bitch.” and the such.
One thing people need to realize is you will never win by trying to take on a group of people online. The people who attacked Leslie were going to attack her no matter what she did. By responding, all she did was make them want to attack her more because they got a reaction. When a group attacks you like that the only proper response is to ignore them and let them go away. If they get no reaction they won’t continue to troll.
This is not the same as “victim blaming”, as I have been accused of this. Victim blaming is when you claim a person brought it on themselves and deserved it. I am simply saying when something like this happens, don’t try taking them on. One person will never win against a mob like that.
What annoys me is she is doing exactly what was done to her. The difference is she is only hurting the studio that supported her.
[quote=Wiggyof9 post_id=4912873 time=1548277751 user_id=19010]What annoys me is she is doing exactly what was done to her. The difference is she is only hurting the studio that supported her.
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No she’s her not. She’s angry / upset that she went through all that and it feels like all her work is invalidated.
What was do to her was sexist and racist abuse over and over and over.
It’s not exactly the same. It’s not even close to been the same. Here comes from passion and hard work. Theirs came from a place that was just agaist her gender and/or race. Let’s be fair here
We’re getting GB3. Just ignore it. Everyone should have better things to worry about than people on the internet (who you’ll never meet) getting pissy about movies (which don’t really matter, by any stretch).
I agree with sentiment but it bleeds into real life. It can also effect a film in the eyes of the main stream. A lot of films that have as much negativity around the brand as this can turn off the casual audience. We need the casual audience. Today’s first time watcher is tommorows collector or cosplayer or member of the community.
If this has as much toxic fans as it has had last 4 years or so then it can hurt the brands ability to make box office return or even merchandise sales ect ..
Imagine if the new ghostbusters is everything you wanted to return to brand to it’s glory days. But imagine it bombs in sales as people are put off by the stuff they read daily on social media. If we don’t do something to unite fans properly and stamp out the toxic behaviour that we can or at the very least make it widespread knowledge that we are against those actions then it’s game over sadly.
No she’s her not. She’s angry / upset that she went through all that and it feels like all her work is invalidated.
What was do to her was sexist and racist abuse over and over and over.
It’s not exactly the same. It’s not even close to been the same. Here comes from passion and hard work. Theirs came from a place that was just agaist her gender and/or race. Let’s be fair here
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She is doing the same thing that was done to her. It may come from a different place, but it’s the same thing. She is trashing a production that isn’t even made yet based solely on what little she has heard of it. She basically said SONY was being sexist and giving in to sexist fans by making a sequel to GB2 instead of ATC. The thing is, fans aren’t hurt by those comments. Stuff like that only hurts SONY and pushes forward the idea that sexism divides the fan base. The reality is we have no flippin’ idea about casting or story. All we know is it takes place in the same universe as the first two movies, which is all many of us wanted. However, she still claimed sexism was the reason for this move.
I think the real issue I have is that the cast and crew can’t accept that there are people that simply didn’t like their movie. I can go beat by beat why I didn’t like the movie based simply on it’s merits, and there are still people that will say I’m being sexist. It’s really annoying and it makes it so that real sexism gets brushed off. It’s like how everyone gets called a Nazi these days.
SONY is trying to save the franchise. The comics are trying to save the ATC characters. Supporting GB3 also supports the ATC characters for a potential second shot. Jones’ comments potentially ruin those chances. She’s shooting herself in the foot.
Internet opinion holds almost no weight. If it did, there’s no way the first four Transformers movies would have grossed $1 billion+ at the worldwide box office. The overwhelming majority of movie-goers aren’t in the trenches of internet arguing like we are. That also includes those who are going to get swayed by politicized articles or arguments.
Life’s too short to get into petty arguments over people not liking what you like. If the people whining about GB3 are childish, then what does that make the people whiny enough to have to ‘fight back?’ By engaging, you’re making yourself actually look like the stereotypical GB16 sexists. There will be no winning in the eyes of those who want to see you that way, so don’t bother. The best revenge is living well. GB3 lives. Just be silent and happy.
The need to argue back is just as immature as the people who start the argument. Just ignore it. You’ll all live longer.
Oh let this crap die already. I find anytime that guy at forbes reviews or mentions a franchise its always go some nitpicky negative shtick to it. If you aren’t one of the loopy trolls, dont let it bother you. Just keep doing what you do so people know: WE BUST TROLLS. (unless they like to par tee. then we send them to our old college buddies)
Going through many, many articles and posts will take quite a while, but allow me to lay a little foundation here. In March of 2014 Feig and Pascal were emailing back and forth about an all-female Spider Man movie. Pascal calls it her “glass ceiling” project. Feig officially announces that he is helming the new Ghostbusters film in October, and in November, Pascal writes, “I saw jerry Weintraub last night and he told me that he and warners were doing a female version of oceans eleven. We gotta beat everyone.”
The truth here is that Feig and Pascal were looking for a property - any property - to turn into a “glass ceiling busting” vehicle. GB was just a floundering franchise that happened to fit the bill for them to co-opt.
I hear this a lot, but Feig has said time and time again he understands legit complaints, and you are not a sexist because of those.
Why does this sentiment keep appearing?
@Montclair:I fail to see how that means they want to make a movie to spite GBfans while Feig is famous for making multiple successful movies with female leads, but since you are still building your case I’ll wait.
I consider myself a bit of an outsider as I was not on these forums until recently. That said I do remember the debacle of 2016. I would like to present my impression of the events from the POV of somebody who was not invested on either side. From what I saw the problems started when a hand full of right leaning social media personality’s attacked the film and early trailer as an example of identity politics in Hollywood. While they made some valid points, the rhetoric quickly became toxic.
People on both sides ran to the defense of their team and did everything possible to demonize the other side. Criticism was conflated with sexism and support was conflated with identity politics.
Again as an outsider at the time, I did not consider either side of the debate to be the stance of the Fandom. Rather the movie was a punching bags being used by two sides whose fight began well before GB2016 was announced.
In the end GB2016 fell well short of studio expectations and was unlikely to receive a direct sequel as a result. This should have been the end for GB for a long time, but Sony needs a cash cow and still sees value in the 80s franchise. Amazingly they take another swing in and the 2020 movie is green lite. Many people seem to want to make this choice politically, but dropping the 2016 cannon is a prudent decision based on its performance and disconnect from the original movies.
I expect the 2020 movie to distance itself largely from both the original movie and the 2016 reboot. It seems likely to be a soft reboot that is still in cannon with the 80s movies but not connected strongly enough to be a sequel to those stories.
Exactly. It’s what I’ve said it’s making excuses for the sexists and acting like the victims of their attack were the bad guys. It’s dangerous thinking that’s lead to this fandom been fractured and looked down upon by the media at large.
More hype may be needed. hmm…
