Enter the way back machine! (Come join the discussion!)

I’ve been thinking about a post like this for some time. I want to try and keep some level headiness with it, so I ask that we try to keep the conversation somewhat pleasant. I know that it can be difficult, but it is about time some of our members understood what it was to be a Ghosthead years ago.

I entered the online community at a tender age of ten years old back in 1997 when it was still the Ghostbusters Homepage on Emkow’s website. It was a classic forum style of the time where there was no real forums or sub forums. There was one big open ended list of topics then often 404rd before some people could see them. I stumbled across the community as there had been rumors circulating that a third Ghostbusters movie would be going into production that or the following year.

Up to that point the only Ghostbusters merchandise we had was anything from the original Kenner Ghostbusters line or archaic memorabilia that we could find from Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II. We had no comic books, no hot wheels and certainly no replica props coming out at any time. In fact, the only thing we had at the time was a small line of Hot Wheel’s style cars being released by Johnny Lightning. At the time they were a treasure trove that I always went out of my way to find, however the first one I ever picked up was silver. I thought nothing of it, sure it was a strange color, but all of the Johnny Lightning Ecto-1A’s at the time were.

Many collectors were ecstatic about the release and quickly lapped them up, it was not cheap. They were well done mini replicas that added new product to our then archaic collections. The most accurate proton packs on the market were made from the kit bash styled plans of Norm Gagnon, we still relished non-accurate proton pack builds. Seriously, who cared? It looked like a proton pack, accuracy be damned everyone wanted a proton pack. Be it child or adult they were the coolest thing since light sabers for many of us.

For years nothing came of the Ghostbusters license, sometimes a wild hairspun story of Ghostbusters III coming out. But for the most part it was dead quiet, and all we could do is fantasize about what kinds of toys and trinkets may lie in our future. Then it happened, as if all at once. “It’s Coming.”

Around the same time the ill-fated Comic book made by 88MPH was announced and released NECA released a line of super detailed movie accurate Ghosts from the first Ghostbusters movie. Sure the terror dogs where of the same sculpt, and only the horns were different but look it’s eye lit up to our beheld glory! We even got a couple of silly bobble heads and Ghostbusters style string lights, even a release of the films on DVD. Hot Topic even carried several articles of Ghostbusters clothing, and it was all the rage within the community. We thought we had struck gold within the community. And then… Nothing.

For the better part of a decade we got nothing, our knowledge in props had improved vastly. Though, for the matter of official products… Not so much as a chirp.

Within the past two or three years Ghostbusters has once again become a thriving franchise. Every month new Ghostbusters products and memorabilia is brought to us, and for some reason all many people can do is bitch?

I don’t get it.

I’m not saying that everything that comes out with the No-Ghost logo needs it’s dick sucked, but all I have seen is a constant stream of absolutes and snobbish nose ups from a great many of the community. When did we suddenly become self entitled morons and forget how the world is? Are so many of you so disillusioned from the comfort of your computer chairs that you think you deserve the best of the best each and every time?

Did we suddenly forget that we at one point considered ourselves a more level headed geek community, that we would never falter to the ridiculousness of Star Trek or Star Wars nerds? And yet, here we are. Nit picking and raping every cool toy or product that comes out way as if it should be catered to our every need.

What ever happened to if you don’t like it, don’t buy it? Yet, the bitchers continue to buy up every product, only to turn around and turn their nose up at it as if it were a stinky pile of dung. Why are you even here? How do you even enjoy this franchise if you enjoy nothing it produces?

I for one have been nothing but ecstatic about the plethora of delectable Ghostbusters goods being offered to us. Each item being as if they plucked a palatable memory from my child hood, read all my letters to Santa about the Ghostbusters stuffs I’d like, and then made them. No longer am I relegated to a handful of odds and ends every few years.

This year alone I’ve gotten over eight brand new Ghostbusters Action figures, two new Hot Wheels Ecto-1s, Piggy Banks, posters, comic books, clothing and so on. Is it so hard to really be satisfied with what we now have? Is it really so hard to fathom that what we have is actually good? Or must we continue to hold things to an impossibly degree of arrogance, demanding every point of criteria of every product be to our insurmountable standards and price ranges?

Personally, I don’t get it. And nerds will continue to be the socially inept nerds they are. And I guess that is good for them, but I doubt it will be good for us in the long run. Sony has been so gracious with our community letting us continue to build and sell prop parts, and run afar with our booming sector of good willed “franchises.”

I guess this changes nothing, as for me?

Fuck it, I’m gonna go enjoy a hot cup of cocoa and my Peter Venkman action figure, patiently anticipating my brand new PKE Meter that I’ve wanted since I was a wee mite of a child, but never being able to entirely grasp due to money.

For me, this Christmas is going to be a Ghostbusters Christmas. And I haven’t had one of those in almost twenty years.

im very happy ive known you every one of those years. every bit of your post is true, down to the “not so much a chirp”

im speechless and beaming. thank you sir. they really dont know how good they have it.

tl;dr

But I still love you in that manly plantonic non-gay brotherly sort of way.

Took the words right out of my mouth, sir…

In summation, Ghostbusters used to be a helluva lot more fun for a whole lot more people and wasn’t raising their blood pressure. At least, not until the annual flame war.

The mouse got the cookie, and the milk, and the nap… if you’ve read the book, you know what an asshole the mouse turns out to be when he doesn’t appreciate everything that he’s received.

Thank God

Someone actually chronographed the past years for the ‘fans’ that just bought a PKE and signed up here to complain about it.

I applaude you, sir.

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+9002 my good sir!

Very good post. The majority of it felt like I was reading my very own thoughts haha.

Yes DAN AKA, there IS a Ghostbusters FANS community!

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I’m there with ya Dan. Think we hit the old forum bout the same time.

An excellent post, Dan. I remember seeing the NECA Gozer and Slimer etc. and being very excited to eventually seeing the 4 Ghostbusters. The day I found out the line was cancelled was a very sad day…

…but now we have Ghostbusters figures out the ying yang and PKEs and who knows what else in the future! There should be no complaints!

Nice post. Despite my being new around here, I know about the fickle nature of the fanboy collectors, and what I’ve read around here definitely fits the usual criteria.

I think we’re all in the middle of sort of a Ghostbusters rebirth/renaissance for the moment, and I certainly hope it continues (which, if/when the 3rd movie comes to fruition, we’ll definitely see happen). I think most of us who know there wasn’t much of anything GB related on any shelves at all know that getting much of anything is pretty cool in and of itself, let alone the really cool stuff that Mattel is throwing our way.

Here’s to some really fantastic GB capitalism in the next few years, folks. Stay happy. Stay positive. Don’t expect too much, but be cool with what there is, and hopefully it will keep coming.

Unfortunately the flaming and whining on the boards seem never ending, and with GB3 looming its head I can only see it getting worse in the immediate future. :sigh:

The whining about props/quality is equally ballasted by snobbery, condescension and know-it-alls on these boards, but you’ll find that anywhere online. People go on ego and power trips so frequently nowadays here… its a real shame.

I have a lot of fun with this hobby it it’s rarely on the boards. I’ve met a lot of cool people here, and some have even become some of my closest friends, but I think you’ll find the best of any fan community to be in the goings on off of message boards.

Give me a new fan film or Ecto any day of the week over people telling others to shut up incessantly. Name calling, selfish whining, you name it. I find myself posting more and more to simply vocalize my disproval of the immaturity I read on the boards, but what can you do? That’s the internet for you. :whatever:

Good post Dan.

I have a GB game that doesn’t suck. I finally have my pack/uniform, and I’m super excited about getting my PKE meter.

This will be like the Christmas of “1984” that I wanted :smiley:

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Thank you, Dan. Sadly, this seems to be par for the course in any fandom. At least that’s been my experience thus far.

Hopefully, those of us who are pleased with what we’re finally getting will outnumber those who seem perpetually unhappy. I can only speak for myself, but I’m glad to see this stuff (which I think is VERY nice) on the market…well, just for us. Can’t we all appreciate it while we have it? It won’t last forever.

from about 1:25 on, essentially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

Off topic: This is the sort of topic I’d always envisaged the Off-Topic/general forum being for.

On topic: Frankly? We’ve been spoilt rotten.

Although I think the source of some of the current trends can be traced. I think the overly-negative criticism of the Mattel figures stems from the fact that 6 years ago, it looked like we’d never be getting them. The figures NECA released were excellent… even though the face sculpt of Stay Puft could’ve been better, having such a huge figure of him was awesome, but as the months moved on, it looked less and less likely we’d ever see the actual Ghostbusters… and after having that near-miss, people have concentrated on the Mattel figures with the focus of a lazer… and to be fair, some of the more-reasonably worded criticism is fair, but there has been some stuff that really was just over the top.

As for the community itself, I think it’s not having people like Sean Bishop, Norm Gagnon or Bill Emkow around as much, or at all anymore to knock some sense into both the new members and those who are now “the old regulars”, as we saw recently I really needed some sense knocking into me, and there are others who probably could and should benefit from some sense being knocked into them as well.

We’ve gotten so many new Ghostbusters products we don’t know what to do with them, and although it’s been said, we’re not really thinking about the time that will inevitably come when Ghostbusters goes back to being a dormant franchise. When that time comes some of us will certainly be left wishing for that “third wind” to come along and pick things up again.

Dan I completely agree with you.

Though my presence in the community is preceded by you by a few years, I remember there being nothing in this community except for fan made props and a few small “vendor” websites; consisting of some low res photos of “equipment” and an email to contact the individual to see if they even still sold that stuff. Back then, it felt more exciting, because we were still piecing together the intricacies of the movie props for our own recreations. And I feel back then we were more of a community, moving toward similar goals. Having differing opinions did not mean you statements were personal attacks, they were just that: differing opinions. There was a level of respect as we worked to improve our craft.

Then, as new merchandise began to come out, such as the NECA figures, the 1:18 scale diecast ecto-1, a few t-shirts and the 88mph comic series, we as a community needed to expand. We shifted from just a propping community to a fan community. Fans of everything Ghostbusters related. But with that shift in demographic, we also had a shift in mentality. Up until that point we had to procure everything ourselves, but here we were, being given something for our prolonged love of the franchise. And just as things were given to us, they were taken away. With the discontinuation of the NECA figures and the 88mph comic series, we as a community became jaded. We new to be thankful for what we got because we “knew” we’d never be handed something like that again.

And then we were all surprised by the reveal of the video game. That was the beginning of the flood. Sony realized the continued interest within the franchise, even 25 years after the fact and wanted to capitalize on it; bring it back from the dead. And since then, they have been licensing out the franchise to keep it alive. Most should be grateful (and I know a few are), but others, new to community, seem to not realize how it was. . . or what we had before the fact.

Is it wrong to point out the inaccuracies or foibles of the merchandise? Hell no. But instead of just showing up, and spouting out your opinion, maybe you should form a stronger, more rounded and educated one before hand. Have healthy, constructive discussions and realize that just because someone does not agree with your opinion, that it is not a personal attack on your character. Differing opinions are good! They can further a discussion and foster new revelations for both parties in the discussion.

But sadly, what I see in this community are individuals that much like their insight in the history of the community, don’t take the time to review the history of a discussion as well. And then we get the same 5 posts made over and over in the same thread that ends up being 17 pages of people just bitching, and not reading what others before them have said. There is a wealth of knowledge on these boards for any self proclaimed ghostbuster fan, but the trick is you have to dig for it.

So the point of all this? Respect. Respect the community. Respect where it has been. Respect where it can go. Respect other’s opinions. Respect other’s work within the community.

I feel if people had a little more of that word, we’d be a much stronger and happier community for it.

Very good post, and I agree 100% Everyone should please read this.

Me too! That’s all I asked for. I haven’t been this excited for Christmas in some time.