Buying his products through EBay or Here are the only way to go it seems. In both cases products are already made (at least I believe the ebay listings are) and the GbFans shop isn’t buying from him. Also with ebay if he flakes you can get a refund via Ebay or Paypal which would not be the case if you just send this guy money.
I never pay Joseph until the items are ready to ship now.. works out well.
Yes, but he also makes high quality patches which are screen accurate and he makes custom patches. I don’t know anyone else who makes custom patches and I know I don’t want a patch that’s got crooked lines and is falling apart.
So what’s your plan? Stop supporting the guy so the market for decent patch replicas dries up? That sounds much better. 
Simply because someone provides items that no one else does (there are others that offer no ghost and name patches) doesn’t mean they should be continually supported even though they screw people over. It’s like still buying from Prop Fan or loveusmokey even though they’ve been blacklisted/banned. So apparently you don’t care what someone has done and is still doing as long as you get what you want?
Katarra8 produces high quality nametags.
They’re good but Captain’s has more sharply defined details and his ghost doesn’t have that corduroy pattern.
I said “nametags” not “patches”.
The problem is that no matter how good his stuff is, he’s exceptionally bad at getting stuff out on time, or at all and has often used a number of excuses. Buying through eBay is better, but it still isn’t perfect and despite how good his no-ghost logos are that shouldn’t excuse the fact he has shoddy customer service.
He may not be on the blacklisted sellers list yet, but I bet you it’s only a matter of time before it happens…
Let’s say he gets added to the Blacklist…
Do I get blacklisted too?
I should.. since I sell his Patches..
The guy has problems with custom made orders… he gets in over his head.
And he’s been operating for how long now and still hasn’t managed to work out how to get it right?
If you didn’t end up buying any more patches from him then you wouldn’t be supporting him… but I also know you don’t have any good reason to personally stop buying from him… although I think that runaround he gave you is something you shouldn’t forget.
he personally has never given me a reason to stop buying from him. i feel bad for the people who order from him and things happen. but on the flip side, there is no reason for anyone to not know what the risks are for ordering from him, none. there are warnings about him on every single site he has ever been on. its a risk that the seller takes. again, until he gives me a reason, personally, not to order from him; i will continue. i have yet to see anyone else patches that are as good. Katarra8’s name plates arent bad, they’re comparable. but thats it. no other no ghost logo is.
Sorry, but that logic basically says that you don’t care what someone does to the “community” you only care about if you get your goods. Heck most of the blacklisted/banned people didn’t screw EVERYONE, so should people keep buying from them simply because they personally didn’t get burned yet?
Sorry I don’t see what wrong with that at all. A minority of people will have qualms with genuine sellers whether it be on here or your general supermarket. If your experience is personally good why shouldn’t you keep using the seller? Would you stop going to say Walmart because your neighbour got a can of beans that was out of date once? It’s when the seller presents a regular problem to the community, blatently rips off someone elses work, or just sell plain bad stuff not as described then there is a problem.
If people want to use a seller that some people have had an issue with after reading a thread like this then that is up to the buyer. It’s their money and their risk. The community won’t suffer because of it, if the buyer doesn’t get his stuff or its naff quality. The only time to not use a seller is for recasting parts that aren’t their own. That’s stealing and even though I don’t make parts, I’d be angry if someone stole my hard work. Buying off these people is hurting the community as the original creator is losing out on money for the part he made.
First of all, he has been screwing people for pretty much the entire 8 years I have been in propping. There’s a reason he’s banned from other prop forums, because he has a constant reputation for lying to people and ripping people off. It’s not just a couple people that got a can of bad beans out of millions upon millions of people. People have pretty much said the only sure fire way to get product from him at all or in a timely manner is to do it through ebay where he is at risk of negative feedback, how can that not be a sign of how shady he is? Again this smacks of people just wanting what they want and not caring about where it comes from. He’s screwed more people and lied to more people than some of the people that are banned/blacklisted, but just because no one else makes as nice of a patch he gets to keep making money, the community continues to support someone that’s been screwing and lying to it’s members for years.
You see, I honestly thought Kerezman was presenting a regular problem to the community. Even in this topic one person had to effectively threaten him with lost business just so he’d deliver on a belt that a customer had purchased from him completely legit.
A belt.
And I’m sure that the blacklisted seller list wasn’t setup exclusively for people who recast. They might make up the majority of the offenders placed on it but I’m sure people can be added to it for other offenses in addition to recasting people’s parts.
These patches aren’t the first item I’ve argued with someone over in terms of a product being offered by Kerezman. Some time back I got into a heated debate with a friend over the stripes for Han Solo’s trousers that Kerezman offers and that apparently he’s the only guy that offers them… I know asking you to not buy from him might seem like a small inconvenience… but why can’t some other people try to produce an alternative? This past-time is built on people using their skills and initiative to replicate stuff where there once was no ‘official’ alternative. People made logos and Han Solo trouser stripes long before Kerezman came along and I think that with all the people here, someone could make a logo alternative that could rival Kerezman’s.
Thats a good point in that if there is no decent alternatives out there then he can get away with shoddy service regarding delivery as there is no one else to turn to.
As for this particular seller then I haven’t used him to comment. But after reading this thread I’d be wary of using him. Point is thats my choice, and if I do use him and get ripped off then it’s not like I can say I had no warning. I won’t use people who do recasts now I have seen the blacklist, as there are excellent people on here who do a lot of hard work and it’s not fair on them.
I agree with adding unreliable sellers to the blacklist. But if its just for unreliability then its up to the individual if they want to take that risk. I doesn’t harm anyone else if I get screwed over.
Are you saying that there are people on the black list to whom it is unfair to be there?
Not at all, I’m sure they are all there for good reason.
All I’m saying is that if anyone wants to take a gamble on a seller who has been unreliable in the past then that is up to them. If they get screwed over then that’s their fault. But it is their choice to take that risk. The only person losing out if they do get screwed over is the buyer, not anyone else.
I don’t condone anyone for willingly using sellers who recast for the obvious and legitamate reasons.
you saying we should create a greylist and add Jo Kerezman on it?
haha yeah I suppose!
A list where the sellers have been poor in terms of their service and you use at your own risk.
That’s what the feedback forum is for.