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Besides selling a fully built proton pack, they also sell resin parts (clippard, legris elbows ect) Has anyone here actually done business with them? Here is their website : LINK REMOVED
As far as I know, we don’t really know much about them nor have we had anyone openly admit to purchasing from them. They are not members here, at least not openly, so that makes me cautious, but I couldn’t say that makes them bad either. As it stands, they are 0/0, so if you buy from them be sure to leave some feedback.
Based on accuracy as displayed in their photos, it does seem a little off for the price. The castings appear to be quality, despite this inaccuracy, but I would have to hold them in hand to really tell how good they are.
Well, here I am! LOL The the guy behind Hole in the Ground Productions. Yes, I am a member here as well as many other websites that I never post to or hardly ever visit. With working a regular day job and running the prop business on the side, leaves me little time to peruse the forums. I just saw this post today and its an old one. I know that probably most of the people who have bought a pack from me are members here, but I honestly couldn’t tell you their screennames. As you can tell if you look over my website, proton packs are just one of MANY items I produce, so its no surprise that I’m not well known within a “specific” fan community.
As far as inaccuracy, what in particular are you talking about? There’s many different building plans out there and not even the packs between films are the same. So I don’t think there’s any “perfect” pack. There’s folks out there I’m sure who are accuracy nazis who want everything to be spec with a caliper. That’s not me. However, I have seen many many packs, and mine look far better than most. Not only that, but I do quality work and my packs can take a beating. They hold up.
Anyway, just thought I’d leave this post and say hello!
Ugh, I had a whole thing typed out with photos and what not and I lost it right before posting. Just a quick summery of what I was going to post:
The cyclotron appears to be too small, or the spacer too big, or the rim around the cyclotron is too small. It appears that there is too much space between the edge of the rim and the edge of the spacer.
The gun grips should wrap around the pipe a bit more, and it might just be a trick of the lighting but the finger indentions seem to be too tight.
My biggest issue is the distance between the top and left side of the gun box and the rear pipe. The actual distance is around 1/16" on both sides, but on yours it appears to be around 3/8", which is 6 times what it should be. I realize certain limitations come with resin, but that’s a big gap.
Could be wrong by the rear instrument bar appears too be too small.
The gun track, or “particle thrower bracket” as you list it, is a bit too simplified.
I only have a noob eye but for your own reference i think that ribbon cable clamp looks way too big and the bottom of the EDA looks as tho it is frowning at me. It should be straight.. I also agree that the cyclotron is too small.
Overall it is a good looking pack. You obviously have talent and should change some things around to make them more accurate and start selling on gbfans. =)
1 The cyclotron is 9 inch diameter (cake pan) which is spec I believe.
2 Gun grips feel fine when you hold it.
3 With the spacing between the gun handle and box, that’s probably my biggest peeve. The handle goes inside and the box “wall” go around it, hence the space. Its not resin, its wood. Trying to flush fit it is frankly, more effort than its worth it imo.
4 instrument bar dims were based on a set of plans, so if its wrong, it wasn’t me!
5 the gun “track” is partly covered by the hanger anyway
Really, a lot of that stuff seems nick picky to me, no offense. BTW, how much do you sell your gun bodies for? Its a lot of work to make em, and if your price is good enough, I may consider buying a few from you. Its a time vs money thing and if its worth the tradeoff… Message me if interested.
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Not sure what you mean about the “frowning”. If you mean the bottom edge, it is straight. Its just the lighting.
How would I sell on gbfans? From what I understand, the website doesn’t list other vendors anymore. See, I’m so busy I don’t even get time to work on my own projects cause I’m always working on customer orders. I’m actually building two pack commissions now and a third as well. Given how things have gone in the past, its very likely that one will be bought before I’m even finished. I’ve NEVER had a “spare” pack just laying around unsold. And I always have orders for other stuff, so its not like I just say “I got nothing better to do, I think I’ll make a pack”. LOL I’ve have several partially built Ghost Traps laying around for two years cause Im too busy with other stuff. Have you checked out my website’s other items? Just last year, I built a teleporter set for a local business’s ad campaign. Its one reason probably not all that many here have heard of me. Being that I make pretty much anything, I haven’t become the guy that just specializes in one or two items.
You seem to make great stuff as it is. You could probably do just fine with what you have already… On the other hand you could always build up those 50 post’s in the forums and you should get tons of tips from those “heavies” on anything that could be done differently or fixed. I’ve noticed alot of people post up the construction of the parts they plan to sell.. Then after the amount of information people have here, they wind up with extremely accurate parts in the end. =)
I’m definatey going to check out your site some more
This is why I wish my original posting had not been lost. You are right that there are different sets of plans out there, they cater to all sorts of builders ranging from those who want it simple to those who want it accurate, and everything in between. There have been plenty of notable builds using Norm’s plans and cake pans, but that isn’t something you want to mold and duplicate. It is just my personal opinion that distributed kits should go beyond the packs of casual builders.
Nine inches is right, but the original packs were not made out of a cake pan. Like I said, it could be the rim around the bottom that is too small, or the spacer is too big.
Sure, but that isn’t really my point.
Oh I assumed it was resin. Anyway, there are ways with pegs and such to get it closer to the edge when you have a box with thick walls.
Possible. I think some of the plans list it too small, but that is why it’s good to be part of the communities that focus on these things. We here can help you get things sorted out.
And? The parts that do show are wrong. You asked me what was inaccurate, I’m just letting you know.
Well, if this were your personal thing then I would agree, but since it is for production and such, why not make it right? Or, think of it this way, there are already plenty of other sellers that offer the parts, accurately, and for similar prices, so why would anyone buy the inaccurate stuff unless they didn’t know any better? It would be in your own best interest to be up to par with everyone else, unless you can beat them with significantly lower prices.
No one’s ever brought these things up before. Everyone whose bought a pack from me was totally happy with it. How do you know that anyone’s is accurately sized? Besides someone measuring an actual screen used prop, its all estimation, right?
I’m not “taking advantage” of anyone. I simply made what I consider a good product and better than much of what I’ve seen in person. And unless someone says to me “I’m not happy with this” or “this is wrong”, how would I know there’s any problem? Can you answer that for me?
I have been in the prop business for 5 years now with lots of repeat customers. I do quality work and treat my customers very well. I’ve gotten many customers who have done business with me after being screwed over by less reputable people. I’ve done prop and set work for space camps, films, and other productions. I have yet for anyone to accuse me of “taking advantage of them”. You don’t care for my work, fine. But don’t insult my integrity.
so, selling an item you know to be inaccurate, that has plans that are accurate, to people that dont know that they are inaccurate because they trust that you are selling them an accurate item is not taking advantage of them? there’s a member here that sells poorly casted resin items to new members that will agree with your approach to business, but also deny deny deny. are your clippard valves made from real clippards? your crank knob? im sure you didnt just “make” whatever you thought was a proton pack but used plans to build them correct why would you omit details but pass it off as an accurate prop?
wouldnt YOU expect someone to sell you an accurate item if you were paying 1500 for something? would you be insulted if that person shrugged off criticism from someone that makes high quality ghostbusters props available for LESS than what you offer?
congratulations. i considered being a new customer until i read your attitude in this thread and made my first response. if you act this way, when someone is giving you constructive criticism about what you are selling and how to make it better, then its really a miracle you have repeat business or any at all.
you are taking advantage of people should they purchase these items from you, there’s no denying it. if you were a supporting member here and attempting to sell, you wouldnt be selling for very long.
man you heavies are brutal LOL.. But you should still listen to these guys sporkman. They know what they are talking about and are very helpful. Throwing Chicken alone has probably supplied more accurate quality particle throwers than anybody else in history..
I think you are misinterpreting what they are saying. They are looking to help you make great parts. The hostility only came from your “oh well, i think it’s fine to sell as it is” outlook rather than even considering changing some things around.. I agree, your pack looks good. But for $1500 somebody could build one hell of a pack.
I understand that you do alot of various movie props and not just Ghostbusters and never spent too much time on 100% GB movie accuracey. But, for business sake, you could probably do very well for yourself by building a good reputation here if you take some time to make things more accurately. I’m tellin ya bro, the build forums are a great place to do just that, its a place for information.. The feedback forum is just a place to throw around words, opinions, and most obvious, feedback..
Like ProtonCharger said :
He is not lying, and you do not want to have that same reputation.
