How is it fair to the GB fans!!!!

How is it fair to the GB fans allowing early access to the line if people get a sub but not have a GB sub?

I have been buying from the start, SDCC Egon. I’ve bought two of everything, 6", 12", exclusives, props, 2011 sub and the 2012 sub plus a lot of extras to make glove customs. But because I don’t collect MOTU or DCUC there is a chance I could miss out on the Ecto Goggles?

This doesn’t seem fair to GB fans that have been supporting the line from the very start. If you buy a MOTU sub you should just have early access to the MOTU stuff not EVERYTHING, same goes with the other lines offering subs.

If you were a REAL GB Fan, you’d support Matty and buy a MOTU AND a DCUC subscription, and then wouldn’t have to worry about it.

(I kid, I KID!)

lol

lol exactly what mattel wants!

they only care about money, they dont give a shit if youve been supporting that line since the very beginning (Ive bought 2 of every 6" figure plus 3 or 4 extra venkmans) they only care about what is going on now and because not many people bought 2013 motuc subs they are taking it out on all of us. i dont give a sh*t about motuc, dc or watchmen, and im not paying $150 for a sub i have no interest in just so i can get early access to the goggles, i’d rather pay a scalper $200 for them on ebay, matty is just feeding the scalper frenzy by pulling this ■■■■, at sdcc when they revealed courtroom ray and tony and the ecto goggles i was back on the pro-matty wagon, so happy to get tony and the goggles sounded cool, but now they pulled this early access ■■■■ and im over them now, i’ll buy 2 of the courtroom ray/tony and thats it, they wont get any more $ from me

Scott “ToyGuru” is a really big MOTU fan and it is no secret that he really helped to push the MOTU toyline. Toyguru didn’t have any Ghostbusters knowledge and was even often caught on Matty mispronouncing the names of many of the iconic characters from the Ghostbusters realm. The Ghostbusters franchise is a franchise that far surpasses the MOTU franchise, I still see people wearing No Ghost logo shirts in Manhattan, in fact, just the other day a young kid no older than 13 or so pointed at my No Ghost Logo Shirt all while I pointed to his No Ghost logo shirt and I yelled at him “I love the shirt!!!” Mattel chocked the Ghostbusters toyline by making a lackluster un-inspired Ghostbusters Toyline. Granted, Kenner had the license in its prime but till this day Kenner remains as the company the created the most complete Ghostbusters action figure line, it just had more of a sense of completion where as Diamond select created the most complete Ghostbusters toy universe with their Minimate toyline. I am thankful to have gotten the figures Matty put out regardless of the fact that they were at times half assed. I just can’t help but feel as though the Ghostbusters fans were the castrated ■■■■■■■ after thought children of Mattel all while the MOTU fans basked in the glory with multiple figures being released on a timely basis to add to their array of diverse MOTU characters and we Ghostheads had to kiss Matty’s behind in order to obtain 4figures that often laced inspiration. Rant over!!! :wink:

I understand the concerns from the people who have posted and you guys have a valid point. How ever as some one who has bought the motu sub for the last three years, I like the idea of getting an early chance of buying stuff from other lines. I’m buying my figures blindly with hopes of liking what comes out. The least mattel can do is give us early chance to buy stuff early and save some money on shipping rather then have to pay money for shipping me another package.

I really don’t see the ecto goggles being a hot seller as the trap and pke metter. Don’t get me wrong its going to sell but I personally think it not going to sell as well as the two other items.

If you any one is worried about the ecto googles selling out from sub members before there sale date, then contact me before they go on sale. I will order you one and ship it out to you.

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Maybe in terms of pop culture as a whole, but definitely not in terms of toys. Hence the problem with the sales.

you’re probably right nicopelli, about them not being a hot seller like the trap and pke were, but the fact remains that it leaves a large opening for scalpers to take advantage of, alot can happen in 2-3 days, especially since everytime Matty comes out with a new GB product, they make less and charge more, so there’s a higher potential for them to sell out before non-sub fans can even get a change to buy a pair.

Guys, if your local comic book shop sells the MOTU line or any of the Matty lines, simply ask them if they are planning getting any of the 2013 subs. I did that and the owner is more than happy to snag a pair of goggles for me when they go on early access.

I wouldn’t worry about it. If you want a pair of goggles you’ll get them.

Of course they do, they’re a company, not a bunch of fans helping out their friends.

But the point is we shouldn’t have to do that just to ensure we get a pair, bill. Nothing about what Mattel is doing is right and reeks of desperation to keep Mattycollector going. Why on Earth would GB collectors buy a subscription to a line that has nothing to with what they’ve been collecting for the past few years? Long story short, they won’t. And all of us who have been collecting this line from day one are getting a slap in the face because we all didn’t by 15 of Vigo and the Rookie. Why would MOTU collectors even want Ecto Goggles is beyond me. I’m hoping that works in our favor

Because they are people who are not only just ghostbusters fans, but fans of other toy lines. My self for an example; I’ve been getting the motu figures from the very beging, along with “arh” gi Joe toys, voltron, transformers, thunder cats, and other 80’s toy lines. Yes I collect toys and proud of it!

Yes mattel is screwing over gb fans and any one else who is not a sub collector. How ever it is nice for people with subs can be allowed to buy stuff early so now we don’t get screwed with second shipping coast.

If your really that up set about it and scared you might not get one on the day of the sale, then feel free to message me. I will be more then willing to help any one out buy getting you one a head of time when sub members can order them.

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If anyone gets an extra of Ray and Tony, and they want to sell the Tony, I’d be willing to buy it. I’m done with Mattel. Their goggles look like $417, and so does Ray. And all of this ■■■■ they’re pulling with early access? Add that to all the second chances that DCU’s got, and then giving MotU that same chance, while giving us the finger? I’m done. Screw Mattel, ToyGuru, and everyone else that works for them.

Nico, it’s great that you are a fan of MOTU and GB but just because you are doesn’t mean the rest of are and shouldn’t be forced to purchase a subscription to something we don’t want just to be able to have the chance to purchase something that’s not even part of that particular subscription. I think it’s great that you’re willing to help out your fellow ghost heads but it still doesn’t change the fact that Matty is trying to force people into buying subcriptions by telling their customers that they don’t intend to sell to non subscribers if all the stock goes to the early access folks. As mentioned MOTU and DCU have had numerous chances but GB gets the shaft. Just because Toyguru is biased towards MOTU doesn’t mean his company should stick it to those not interested in the subscriptions.

Ok, enough is enough, calm down everybody…

Seems like the same people like to consistently bitch about Matty, yet do not look at it through their point of view.

They are a business and have a right to make profit use as much as you have a right not to buy from them. Tooling costs mega money to set up, from initial sculpting to mould making. By giving early access with subscriptions they eliminate the need for an “Exclusive” club figure that would require new tooling, work, etc. Early access costs them nothing but provides “value added incentive” for customers. This keeps current members quasi happy, and creates potential for new customers who are afraid of missing out. A company does not make money by sitting on inventory, and most of the GB line has been dust collectors in Mattel’s warehouses. A few figures will not save a line from extinction.

Yes they have given DC Universe and MOTU more chances but they are stronger properties. Its only been within the last year or so that the MOTU figures haven’t been selling well but that is all in the attrition rate of a line of collector items. You can only create really awesome stuff that everyone wants for so long and then you get the stuff that only a few want. As well, DC’s other media forms are constantly relevant and fresh so its worth the gamble.

Yes, it would be nice if they kept the line going as I have collected it since the start, but really they owe us nothing. Without Mattel we wouldn’t have a set of premium line figures, and as much as some people are very vocal about the line, it obviously doesn’t have the backing at this time to really be profitable. Supply is set by demand, and obviously there is not enough demand to continually invest in it. Ghostbusters 3 would change that, but it a pipe dream…

At the end of the day we ended up with some awesome shit from Mattel and they did great things with the license. But if you can’t make money on it, you can’t make money. A business without profit is no more a business than a pickle is a piece of candy

Mattel is really begging people to sub MOTU this year.

it’s really pathetic

I totally agree we shouldn’t have to jump through hoops or buy a sub we don’t want. But the fact remains (at least right now) that if you don’t have a sub you won’t have early access. I’ve been collecting the Matty GB line since day one, have all the props and figures, and was part of the cancelled club Ecto group as well.

I’m not saying go out and get a sub for another line, what I said was If your local comic book store has the subs for the other lines ask them to order a pair for you. The guy at my local shop was than happy to do this, with no mark up. If you’ve got a good relationship with them chances are they’ll take care of you.

It’s not the ■■■■■■■■■ MOTU collectors that are going to buy them up it’s the resellers that will have the opportunity to drive the prices up on these.

All I was suggesting that instead of everyone panicking and stressing about it, there are ways around early access.

Yes it’s not fair but if you want the goggles and don’t want to risk them selling out, there are ways around it without buying a useless sub that you don’t want.

Matty is just being greedy when it comes to the online club stuff.

Consider them compared to brick n mortar offers:

No shipping to stores across the country

No point of sale display costs

No giving the stores 40%-50% of the profits

No mainstream advertising costs

No restocking fees back from stores with excess inventory, or stock reimbursment for clearance sales to clear old stock so new stock can be replentished.

When you look at that above list, then consider, say, the trap. At the high end, the trap MIGHT cost Matty $40 a pop. That means they make $80 per trap themselves, pure profit.

Then look at say, any mattel offering in a store..say, one of the popular hot monster high dolls.

They cost around $13 a pop retail.

Half of that money goes to the stores, So maty is down to $7

Those have to be shipped to the stores… let’s say that costs a buck. Down to $6

Point of sale display artwork, and advertising costs? Lets say another buck per doll. Down to $5

Now lets say that doll costs $3 to manufacture. Matty total profit per doll? $2

So they need to sell 40 dolls just to make the same money as ONE trap.

Assuming the 6" figure cost the same as that doll to make, they make $21 per figure. (Or 10 dolls!)

Supposedly, they only make 5 cents per hotwheels car because of the metal, weight, shipping and detailing costs.

So they have to sell 420 hotwheels cars to make the same amount of money as one ghostbusters figure.

See what I’m getting at? Matty profit margins on the matty collector stuff is pure gold to them profit wise compared to regular toys. They keep to keep all the profits, and don’t need to spend any of the costs for advertising and stocking. And dollars to donuts they make an easy few buck$ on shipping costs as well, since they are shipping massive numbers, and can get bargain shipping deals.

I doubt seriously that the GB line wasn’t profitable to them. They are just very greedy, and wanted high $$$ back on a minimal investment.. much like stock investors.

They doubled prices on toys a few years ago, because oil prices had skyrocketed, and oil is used heavily in plastic production. That makes sense. But when fuel prices plummeted to 3/4 of those costs, what happened? They raised the prices again, claiming higher manufactureing costs. Whaaaat?

Did those slave kids over in China working 70 hours a week for $2 an hour unionize, and demand $15 an hour? Nope.

10 years ago, the average 6" figure retailed for $6 or so. Today, the average 6" figure retails for $15-$20. Did your income triple in the last 10 years? odds are, nope.

Matty lost massively to MGA over the Bratz lawsuit when they trying to srong arm them out of the market and lost. Billions of dollars.They are trying to grab major dollars from anything they can to make up for that, and Matty Collector is exactly that.. an effort to make high dollars with low investment costs.

(And odds are, my estimated costs to produce items is a high estimate. As an example, Disney sells those PVC figures in parks for $5-$7. When I worked as a store manager at DisneyWorld, they cost $3.50. I had this massive cost book to figure store profitability. The cost to manufacture one of those pvc figures?

$00.000523

Yes… a tiny fraction of one cent!

I remember that number well, because I questioned it as being wrong in the books, and it was correct!

All this said, in whole the Matty GB line wasn’t the travesty it could have been, but it also wasn’t the best it could have been either. The uniforms and gear on the 12" figures were fine… the headsculpts though could have been much better. (Keep in mind, Mattel also makes those $100 collector barbies that look amazing.)

My dream choices to replace Matty?

Hot Toys could do the 12" line better, but today they would charge you $200-$300 a pop for them.

Neca would be my choice for the 6" figures, and they probably would have delivered them with more articulation, and much better sculpts for about $15 a pop. Plus they are doing 1:1 scale props now, like the Portal gun, and the Bioshock Injector.

The bottom line to all this? Matty is doing pretty much exactly what I expected of them. Milking th eline as much as possible investing the least amount of effort and cost possible.

Yeah the line is pretty much dead… but expect to see another box set or two before they go, milking it even more. Something to look foreward to.

(And I’ll bet the goggles hang around for at least 8 days before selling out. I’m not concerned about the club pre buyers at all.)